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sturoc
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Posted: April 04 2013 at 21:58 |
WOW did this thread go down a few different paths ! I'll bring it back around....
Think on this: You've been in a group that has had success musically, commercially. A member of this band from the get go, we've all been thru alot for a long time, decades of touring, conflicts with members, departures, new members etc. Meanwhile you've done many solo projects, some with others. Over the span of some 45 years, you've taken breaks away from this group due to health issues and your artistic direction. Then one day after much thought you have decided to finish and be done. You've accomplished everything you've imagined with this band and more. Even reunited several times. But now it's time to move on to other things. While the compositions are timeless performing them is not. Forward motion discovers new ground.
Then someone comes up with a petition that may show fan support for you to return to that long standing group. What those that started this effort do not realize is that your decision is made by you and you alone. The supporters, while worthy fans, don't understand that someday we all must move forward and this is your time to do so.
It would be hard for me to grip their logic, almost hurtful to deny them their desire. In the end, we are all individuals on our own paths.
Edited by sturoc - April 04 2013 at 22:02
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: April 05 2013 at 01:39 |
Snow Dog wrote:
I'd rather Yes without him. |
I agree 100%
Listening Jon's painfully acute voice and horrendous lyrics without sense, is a torture for me.
Iván
Edited by Ivan_Melgar_M - April 05 2013 at 16:10
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richardh
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Posted: April 05 2013 at 01:47 |
I'll sign the petition
Yes is dead , long live Glass Hammer!
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Tom Ozric
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Posted: April 06 2013 at 01:49 |
As one with the knowledge and magic of the source, attuned to the majesty of music, they marched as one with the Earth................................
...........................need I say more ???
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lazland
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Posted: April 06 2013 at 14:22 |
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:
I'd rather Yes without him. |
I agree 100%
Listening Jon's painfully acute voice and horrendous lyrics without sense, is a torture for me.
Iván
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I agree 0%.
Listening to Jon's beautiful voice and spiritual lyrics, that mean a lot personally, is a pleasure for me.
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Snow Dog
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Posted: April 06 2013 at 14:32 |
lazland wrote:
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:
I'd rather Yes without him. |
I agree 100%
Listening Jon's painfully acute voice and horrendous lyrics without sense, is a torture for me.
Iván
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I agree 0%.
Listening to Jon's beautiful voice and spiritual lyrics, that mean a lot personally, is a pleasure for me. |
Don't ruin it. Ivan agrees with me.
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Prog_Traveller
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Posted: April 06 2013 at 14:36 |
Yes, ofcourse it's his decision. However, I have heard him say
interviews that he would go back if they would have him. Therefore a
petition could get the point across and help him. It's probably mostly
irrelevant to the band but it would signal a message to them if nothing
else. In the end it's really up to Chris and the band Jon.
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twosteves
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Posted: April 10 2013 at 22:47 |
Yes has proven they can do it without him---Drama and FFH---If Jon could go solo and be great without Yes as his backup band--he would be a great solo artist---like Gabriel---he is not a great solo artist---he needs Howe, Squire, White and Wakeman----having said that I wish he could still be the singer---but let the others contribute as much as him.
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ProgMetaller2112
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Posted: April 11 2013 at 00:10 |
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:
I'd rather Yes without him. |
I agree 100%
Listening Jon's painfully acute voice and horrendous lyrics without sense, is a torture for me.
Iván
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They might make little sense to you but they mean a heck of a lot to me
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“War is peace.
Freedom is slavery.
Ignorance is strength.”
― George Orwell, Nineteen Eighty-Four
"Ignorance and Prejudice and Fear walk Hand in Hand"- Neil Peart
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: April 11 2013 at 01:06 |
ProgMetaller2112 wrote:
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:
I'd rather Yes without him. |
I agree 100%
Listening Jon's painfully acute voice and horrendous lyrics without sense, is a torture for me.
Iván
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They might make little sense to you but they mean a heck of a lot to me
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It's called personal taste
Iván
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ProgMetaller2112
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Posted: April 11 2013 at 01:07 |
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
ProgMetaller2112 wrote:
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:
I'd rather Yes without him. |
I agree 100%
Listening Jon's painfully acute voice and horrendous lyrics without sense, is a torture for me.
Iván
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They might make little sense to you but they mean a heck of a lot to me
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It's called personal taste
Iván |
I know
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“War is peace.
Freedom is slavery.
Ignorance is strength.”
― George Orwell, Nineteen Eighty-Four
"Ignorance and Prejudice and Fear walk Hand in Hand"- Neil Peart
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dennismoore
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Posted: April 11 2013 at 15:28 |
lazland wrote:
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:
I'd rather Yes without him. |
I agree 100%
Listening Jon's painfully acute voice and horrendous lyrics without sense, is a torture for me.
Iván
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I agree 0%.
Listening to Jon's beautiful voice and spiritual lyrics, that mean a lot personally, is a pleasure for me. |
Hi Laz,
We haven't chatted lately, surely its my loss.
You are 100% correct here, kind sir. Jon's voice in YES has always been a gift that transcends through many
layers of human perception. Haters always gonna hate.
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"Yeah, people are unhappy about that - but you know what, it's still Yes." - Chris Squire
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dr wu23
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Posted: April 11 2013 at 18:20 |
I stopped listening to Yes cd's after Going for the One and never really cared that much for any of Jon's solo outings...so it's a moot point for me.
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One does nothing yet nothing is left undone. Haquin
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: April 11 2013 at 23:18 |
dennismoore wrote:
lazland wrote:
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:
I'd rather Yes without him. |
I agree 100%
Listening Jon's painfully acute voice and horrendous lyrics without sense, is a torture for me.
Iván
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I agree 0%.
Listening to Jon's beautiful voice and spiritual lyrics, that mean a lot personally, is a pleasure for me. |
Hi Laz,
We haven't chatted lately, surely its my loss.
You are 100% correct here, kind sir. Jon's voice in YES has always been a gift that transcends through many
layers of human perception. Haters always gonna hate. |
Not hater, I know what I like and what I don't like, and I believe our opinions should be respected without using aggressive adjectives, we come here to give our opinions without need of harsh replies.
I dislike acute voices, it's my taste.
Iván
Edited by Ivan_Melgar_M - April 11 2013 at 23:24
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ProgMetaller2112
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Posted: April 12 2013 at 00:06 |
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
dennismoore wrote:
lazland wrote:
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:
I'd rather Yes without him. |
I agree 100%
Listening Jon's painfully acute voice and horrendous lyrics without sense, is a torture for me.
Iván
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I agree 0%.
Listening to Jon's beautiful voice and spiritual lyrics, that mean a lot personally, is a pleasure for me. |
Hi Laz,
We haven't chatted lately, surely its my loss.
You are 100% correct here, kind sir. Jon's voice in YES has always been a gift that transcends through many
layers of human perception. Haters always gonna hate. |
Not hater,( I know what I like) and what I don't like, and I believe our opinions should be respected without using aggressive adjectives, we come here to give our opinions without need of harsh replies.
I dislike acute voices, it's my taste.
Iván
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but nothing against you Ivan, I just thought you wrote subconsciously
Edited by ProgMetaller2112 - April 12 2013 at 00:07
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“War is peace.
Freedom is slavery.
Ignorance is strength.”
― George Orwell, Nineteen Eighty-Four
"Ignorance and Prejudice and Fear walk Hand in Hand"- Neil Peart
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: April 12 2013 at 00:27 |
ProgMetaller2112 wrote:
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
Not hater,( I know what I like) and what I don't like, and I believe our opinions should be respected without using aggressive adjectives, we come here to give our opinions without need of harsh replies.
I dislike acute voices, it's my taste.
Iván
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but nothing against you Ivan, I just thought you wrote subconsciously
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Not subconciously
The funny thing is that IKWIL is one of the few Gabriel era songs I don't like
Edited by Ivan_Melgar_M - April 12 2013 at 00:50
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ProgMetaller2112
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Posted: April 12 2013 at 00:31 |
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
ProgMetaller2112 wrote:
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
Not hater,( I know what I like) and what I don't like, and I believe our opinions should be respected without using aggressive adjectives, we come here to give our opinions without need of harsh replies.
I dislike acute voices, it's my taste.
Iván
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but nothing against you Ivan, I just thought you wrote subconsciously
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Not subconciously
The funny thing is that IKWIL is one of the few Gebriel era songs I don't like
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“War is peace.
Freedom is slavery.
Ignorance is strength.”
― George Orwell, Nineteen Eighty-Four
"Ignorance and Prejudice and Fear walk Hand in Hand"- Neil Peart
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cstack3
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Posted: April 20 2013 at 23:07 |
*ahem* Back to the issue about "Is Yes truly 'Yes' without Jon Anderson?"
Here's a pretty good opinion piece on this topic:
"The band members from the classic lineup of Anderson, Howe, Squire,
Wakeman and White are all in their sixties. The clock is running out,
and the question before Squire and Howe is simple; which is going to be
your priority from here on out, the money or the legacy? To choose the
latter, Yes will need to welcome Anderson (and hopefully also Wakeman)
back and be willing to tour less often and less intensively. Choosing
the latter path can burnish Yes's once-secure status as the most
important, successful, and long-lasting band in the progressive rock
genre. To choose the former, is to throw in the towel on a band that
deserves so much better."
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twosteves
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Posted: April 20 2013 at 23:56 |
I read the article--and I understand where he's coming from---as a long time fan, I think Yes as it should be, classic line-up--will never be--because it can't be---one last special concert to be filmed---maybe---but as a working band, this is it. Jon as a songwriter has not been very good for some time--and while he still sings good, it's hit or miss for a big live rock show----and only Howe seems to amaze in live performance---I think it's hard to reconcile this for some fans.
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rogerthat
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Posted: April 21 2013 at 00:42 |
Since they are in indeed in their sixties already, the question is should it be fussed about so much. By this logic, if one of the persons who co created the music dies, the band should never play again. I know Led Zep did make that decision (doh, they reunited too!!! ) but it is not a kind of thinking I agree with. Performance of a piece of music exists independent of the act of conceiving it. If rock does not accept performance as a legitimate form of art divorced from personalities and names, it will never become 'timeless'. And Jon Anderson was one part of ABWH so that argument is tenuous anyway.
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