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Points: 3145 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 10 2013 at 20:05
Originally posted by rogerthat rogerthat wrote:

Originally posted by ProgMetaller2112 ProgMetaller2112 wrote:

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Originally posted by Dayvenkirq Dayvenkirq wrote:

^What does he want us to do, give up on the band?

Yes because ProgMetaller said it is not good music.  Big smile  


did I say that??? No all I said was think twice about what your listening to

And what exactly entitles you to say that?   Who the bloody hell are you to do so?  You have no right to interfere or pronounce judgment on anybody's taste.  I don't think this is the first time I have told you that.   


It's not for my own sake it's for your own sake

You shall not presume what is good for my own sake and what is not.   You can recommend music to others but cannot tell them to think whether what they are listening to is good.  For the last time, this is not a metal forum.  This kind of "mate, I'll tell you what's good music" way of speaking will come off as very rude here because people on this forum are individuals and their individuality is respected.  It is not a kinship or community like Metalheads Inc.  With that, I have to go.  


I'm an individual and I don't care what other people say either, I'm not your average metal music listener, I've been listening to Prog more than Metal, that's why I've got that on my user name
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Points: 10970 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 10 2013 at 20:22
Originally posted by ProgMetaller2112 ProgMetaller2112 wrote:

... I don't care what other people say ...
Muchos gracias. That's all we needed to hear.
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Points: 831 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 10 2013 at 20:25
Originally posted by ProgMetaller2112 ProgMetaller2112 wrote:

It's not for my own sake it's for your own sake


thank god we have you to tell us what to listen to. Otherwise we might be listening ot that "john cage wannabe drivel" and maybe even enjoy it. Who knows what kind of madness would ensue then?
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Points: 3145 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 10 2013 at 20:28
Originally posted by Sumdeus Sumdeus wrote:

Originally posted by ProgMetaller2112 ProgMetaller2112 wrote:

It's not for my own sake it's for your own sake


thank god we have you to tell us what to listen to. Otherwise we might be listening ot that "john cage wannabe drivel" and maybe even enjoy it. Who knows what kind of madness would ensue then?


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60s: Iron Butterfly, Beatles
70s: Pink Floyd, Yes, Genesis, Gong, King Crimson
80s: Marillion, Asia, Rush
90s: Opeth, Dream Theatre, Flower Kings, Spock's Beard
10s: Glass Hammer, maudlin Of The Well, Sigor Ros
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Points: 9869 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 12 2013 at 03:56
Originally posted by ProgMetaller2112 ProgMetaller2112 wrote:


I'm an individual and I don't care what other people say either, I'm not your average metal music listener, I've been listening to Prog more than Metal, that's why I've got that on my user name


If you honestly don't care what other people say, why does KC fanboism bug you so much?   Who gave you the divine right to launch a crusade to drive KC fans away from PA?  Because that's what you're doing.   This is no longer just about saying KC is overrated, anytime people say something you don't like, your response is "yeah, and Robert Fripp is blah blah blah"?  Hey, what did he do to you man, LOL what's your vendetta?
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Points: 3145 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 15 2013 at 01:56
Originally posted by rogerthat rogerthat wrote:

Originally posted by ProgMetaller2112 ProgMetaller2112 wrote:


I'm an individual and I don't care what other people say either, I'm not your average metal music listener, I've been listening to Prog more than Metal, that's why I've got that on my user name


If you honestly don't care what other people say, why does KC fanboism bug you so much?   Who gave you the divine right to launch a crusade to drive KC fans away from PA?  Because that's what you're doing.   This is no longer just about saying KC is overrated, anytime people say something you don't like, your response is "yeah, and Robert Fripp is blah blah blah"?  Hey, what did he do to you man, LOL what's your vendetta?


Robert is decent at best with some great moments in my opinion
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Originally posted by rogerthat rogerthat wrote:

Originally posted by ProgMetaller2112 ProgMetaller2112 wrote:


I'm an individual and I don't care what other people say either, I'm not your average metal music listener, I've been listening to Prog more than Metal, that's why I've got that on my user name


If you honestly don't care what other people say, why does KC fanboism bug you so much?   Who gave you the divine right to launch a crusade to drive KC fans away from PA?  Because that's what you're doing.   This is no longer just about saying KC is overrated, anytime people say something you don't like, your response is "yeah, and Robert Fripp is blah blah blah"?  Hey, what did he do to you man, LOL what's your vendetta?


What I meant to say was that I don't care about what other people say about me
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I certainly don't disagree about Genesis and those other bands being influential in the 1970s, but I think David Bowie much more.
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Genesis pretty much single-handedly inspired the neo-prog movement of the late 70's/early 80's. 
 
David Bowie has certainly been very influential, but most of his influence has extended outside the boundaries of prog, although there has been some influence on prog bands too.  One that comes to mind is Phideaux, some of their music is at times reminiscent of Bowie.  Especially in the vocal delivery. 
 
The Beatles are obviously the most influential band ever.  Without them, there would have been no Yes, no King Crimson, no Floyd, no Genesis, etc.
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Originally posted by The Doctor The Doctor wrote:

Genesis pretty much single-handedly inspired the neo-prog movement of the late 70's/early 80's. 
 
David Bowie has certainly been very influential, but most of his influence has extended outside the boundaries of prog, although there has been some influence on prog bands too.  One that comes to mind is Phideaux, some of their music is at times reminiscent of Bowie.  Especially in the vocal delivery. 
 
The Beatles are obviously the most influential band ever.  Without them, there would have been no Yes, no King Crimson, no Floyd, no Genesis, etc.
 
Good post....and that about sums it up for me......but I would say though that imho Porcupine Tree and Wilson have significantly  influenced bands from 2000 on.


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For me influential bands are Pink Floyd Yes Genesis King Crimson Magma Gong Amon Duul 2 Mahavishnu Orchestra SBB Soft Machine Ash Ra Tempel Can Tangerine Dream Hawkwind Jethro Tull Mars Volta Dream Theater Anekdoten Heldon Rush.....and it's true that the Beatles paved the way for prog with concept albums such as Sergent Peper's new hearts club band
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and as has been said many times, 1-2-3 was the bridge between The Beatles and Prog.
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no they weren't
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I don't know if anyone has mentioned this album.  And if not, perhaps it is because the music is not prog enough in the true sense of what prog is to most prog music fans.  But Tommy by the Who, being the double album concept piece it was, was quite progressive at the time and perhaps an excellent and influential bridge to classic prog.  Perhaps even more so than Sgt. Peppers.
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Points: 887 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 24 2013 at 19:57
My thoughts: some of the suggestions made in this thread are  wrong  =)
If you listen to the Nice, and the Electric Prunes, it's hard to say what they were doing
wasn't influential.  And, the E.P. didn't get voted into this site, but Axelrod did, and they lent
their sound to his work, and his work never sounded like the Mass in F Minor
they did in 1968, which is a year before in the Court of the Crimson King.  I just
did an interview with James Lowe, the singer of the E.P. who incidentally was
very influential in the early Todd Rundgren albums and had a big career in 
music and TV after the Electric Prunes.   The E.P were using Zither in recordings
and noise....you have to listen to their material to see their influence.  The other
psychedelic bands that we think of important, like the Strawberry Alarm clock,
if you listen to them,  sound like a pop band.  Also, 13th Floor Elevators I don't
think were innovating much of that sound or structural change.  Even if it wasn't
the Electric Prunes that did all of some album or another, it was still some
members and somewhat of a spirit they created.   The Electric Prunes  were 
doing gigs with Soft Machine in the early days, which shows their prog leanings.
The fact that they did the Mass in F Minor concept album in 1968 is important
in prog.  ELP didn't write Pictures but that didn't make a difference in calling it
a prog album. 






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Originally posted by Larree Larree wrote:

I don't know if anyone has mentioned this album.  And if not, perhaps it is because the music is not prog enough in the true sense of what prog is to most prog music fans.  But Tommy by the Who, being the double album concept piece it was, was quite progressive at the time and perhaps an excellent and influential bridge to classic prog.  Perhaps even more so than Sgt. Peppers.

While I certainly don't doubt Tommy's influence, the difference between Sgt. Pepper's and Tommy in terms of prog influence, is Sgt. Pepper's came out in 1967.  Tommy came out in May 1969.  While it may only be two years difference, it also dates Tommy AFTER, say, King Crimson's live debut. (Plus a handful of proto-prog albums that came out in the two intervening years)
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Originally posted by silverpot silverpot wrote:

Originally posted by maani maani wrote:

 
  Interestingly, Crimson seems to have "sprung full-grown from the head of Zeus," with little if any direct Beatle influence.)
 

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Crimson was heavily influenced by The Moody Blues, who in their turn were influenced by The Beatles.

Just saying. Wink
 
I seriously doubt that Crimson was strongly influenced by the Moodies per se........indeed they were in awe of Crimson from everything I have read and KC's music was ahead of what the Moodies were doing in many ways.
Having said that I think all of the more interesting bands then were being influencing by  each other and Fripp has mentioned the Beatles as an influence himself. 
BTW there was an interesting piece by Fripp about KC in Prog magazine a few months back.
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No one influenced King Crimson, I think that's what KC fans are saying.   Wink
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Steve Miller Band. Nearly every early 70s symphonic act stole the mellotron sound and feel off of the track In My First Mind
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