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The Doctor 
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Honorary Collaborator Joined: June 23 2005 Location: The Tardis Status: Offline Points: 8543 |
 Posted: March 27 2013 at 09:17 |
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Or if you happen to be gay in a conservative state.  Didn't they try that same sort of compromise in the 19th century regarding slavery? Didn't really help the slaves in the south did it? It's not about making liberals or conservatives happy, but about allowing people to be free to live their lives as they see fit.
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I can understand your anger at me, but what did the horse I rode in on ever do to you?
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rushfan4
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Honorary Collaborator Joined: May 22 2007 Location: Michigan, U.S. Status: Offline Points: 66256 |
Posted: March 27 2013 at 09:43 |
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King of Loss
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Joined: April 21 2005 Location: Boston, MA Status: Offline Points: 16437 |
Posted: March 27 2013 at 10:24 |
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I used to be a supporter of gay marriage, now I don't know if I support it or not, because I believe marriage should be a contract that two consenting adults sign. I also don't believe anyone should receive benefits for being married and discriminate against people who have not engaged in a country-sanctioned marriage.
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The Doctor
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Honorary Collaborator Joined: June 23 2005 Location: The Tardis Status: Offline Points: 8543 |
Posted: March 27 2013 at 10:25 |
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 Gay people can't consent? Or they aren't adults? |
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I can understand your anger at me, but what did the horse I rode in on ever do to you?
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King of Loss
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Posted: March 27 2013 at 10:30 |
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I just don't believe the federal government should be using the federal government as a battering ram for opening promoting gay marriage, which I don't have a problem, but I do have a problem with the federal government forcing one or the other way on two consenting adults. I think all unions, be it heterosexual or homosexual, should be civil and should not be considered government-sanctioned marriage. |
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The Doctor
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Honorary Collaborator Joined: June 23 2005 Location: The Tardis Status: Offline Points: 8543 |
Posted: March 27 2013 at 10:41 |
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^The government is not forcing anyone to choose gay marriage. Hey, if the government told me I had to marry a man or else, I'd certainly have a problem with that. It isn't about forcing people to make choices, it is about allowing people the freedom to make their own choices.
Maybe the government shouldn't play a role in marriage, but that's another argument altogether. As it stands, the government does currently play a role in defining marriage and providing benefits/penalties to marriage, and therefore should butt out of people's choices as to whom they wish to marry.
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I can understand your anger at me, but what did the horse I rode in on ever do to you?
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Guldbamsen
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Posted: March 27 2013 at 10:42 |
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Government aside, I think it should be up to the individual priest to decide whether he/she wants to marry any couple. Sure if it's done at city hall, it's an altogether different story.
Like I said earlier marriage should be about love, not about gender or sexual preferences. The hardest part of that equation is getting all the squares out there to realize and accept that the love between two men/women you name the constellation, is just as real as the one experienced by straight folks.
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“The Guide says there is an art to flying or rather a knack. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.”
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The Doctor
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Honorary Collaborator Joined: June 23 2005 Location: The Tardis Status: Offline Points: 8543 |
Posted: March 27 2013 at 10:46 |
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I think the hardest part is getting everyone to realize that what other people do with their lives is none of their damn business. It isn't about accepting anything, it's about live and let live. I do agree though that the government should not be able to force religious institutions to perform marriages to which they are opposed.
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I can understand your anger at me, but what did the horse I rode in on ever do to you?
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Guldbamsen
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Retired Admin Joined: January 22 2009 Location: Magic Theatre Status: Offline Points: 23104 |
Posted: March 27 2013 at 11:01 |
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I fully agree with everything you said, I've just come across so many people who refuse to acknowledge such a simple truth as the one I mentioned. It's of course much more than that as you point out, but I tend to focus on the little things that I meet every time I attend parties and get-togethers where there's hundreds of gay people around. It then gets very personal, and saying a thing like "it's none of your business" to one of these hot heads who only came to ridicule and throw stones, is simply beyond feasible. Doesn't work.
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“The Guide says there is an art to flying or rather a knack. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.”
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rushfan4
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Posted: March 27 2013 at 11:08 |
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The only analogy that seems to come to mind is the one regarding the Augusta golf club and their refusal to allow women into the club as members. (I believe that this glass ceiling was finally breeched on this if my memory serves me right). The argument being that women are being discriminated against when it comes to the opportunity of participating in the types of backroom business dealings that go on in a club like that. I am glad that the government did not step in and force the club to allow women, but I am also disappointed by the number of businesses that businesses leaders that continued to support the club despite its discriminatory practices.
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Slartibartfast
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Honorary Collaborator / In Memoriam Joined: April 29 2006 Location: Atlantais Status: Offline Points: 29630 |
Posted: March 27 2013 at 14:44 |
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Ted Olson, pro-marriage equality attorney, compared today's case before the Supreme Court to the case of Loving v. Virginia, which struck down laws against interracial marriage. http://on.msnbc.com/YH380o Do you think it's a fair comparison? |
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Man With Hat
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Posted: March 27 2013 at 14:44 |
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Silly queers...thinking they have rights!
Of course, option #1 for me. Now if you'll excuse me, I'll be off to my BDSM, 17 husband, 22 wife afternoon orgy in the graveyard dressed as past US presidents using replica constitutions as birth control... Edited by Man With Hat - March 27 2013 at 14:46 |
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I'm running still, I shall until, one day, I hope that I'll arrive Warning: Listening to jazz excessively can cause a laxative effect. |
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: March 27 2013 at 14:48 |
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It's important to live a balanced twisted life.  |
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Guldbamsen
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Posted: March 27 2013 at 14:50 |
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Easy for you to say, I'm husband number 12
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“The Guide says there is an art to flying or rather a knack. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.”
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The Doctor
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Honorary Collaborator Joined: June 23 2005 Location: The Tardis Status: Offline Points: 8543 |
Posted: March 27 2013 at 14:50 |
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And you didn't invite me?
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: March 27 2013 at 14:53 |
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Man With Hat
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Posted: March 27 2013 at 14:54 |
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We are planning on touring the US to look for more members. We'll be sure to stop in texas...they will love us down there. 
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Man With Hat
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Posted: March 27 2013 at 14:55 |
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Don't forget the lube this time man... 
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Guldbamsen
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Retired Admin Joined: January 22 2009 Location: Magic Theatre Status: Offline Points: 23104 |
Posted: March 27 2013 at 14:58 |
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I'll give you sand paper big fella, if you forget Valentines one more time...
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: March 27 2013 at 15:14 |
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rushfan4 wrote:
) or a conservative living in a liberal state than it would continue to be an issue.
![“You could have said in the Loving case, what–you can’t get married, but you can have an interracial union. Everyone would know that that was wrong." Ted Olson, pro-marriage equality attorney, compared todays case before the Supreme Court to the case of Loving v. Virginia, which struck down laws against interracial marriage. http://on.msnbc.com/YH380o Do you think its a fair comparison?](https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/s480x480/575643_635713903110602_832707624_n.jpg "“You could have said in the Loving case, what–you can’t get married, but you can have an interracial union. Everyone would know that that was wrong." Ted Olson, pro-marriage equality attorney, compared todays case before the Supreme Court to the case of Loving v. Virginia, which struck down laws against interracial marriage. http://on.msnbc.com/YH380o Do you think its a fair comparison?")