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hellogoodbye
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Posted: March 14 2013 at 10:13 |
I didn't know this :
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smartpatrol
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Posted: March 14 2013 at 12:12 |
I've got that. My version isn't too bad on sound quality, although a lot of it is muddled. It's a very interesting performance |
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darkshade
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Posted: March 16 2013 at 13:49 |
Listening to Cucamongo right now. Interesting listen, but I find it pretty enjoyable. Funny enough that it would probably be the first thing I listen to when I eventually do a chronological Zappa marathon.
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hellogoodbye
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Posted: March 17 2013 at 04:48 |
I am pursuing my difficult musical relationship with Frank Zappa. Sleep Dirt seems to be a good step after Burnt Weeny Sandwich
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hellogoodbye
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Posted: March 18 2013 at 20:07 |
God ! Sleep Dirt is fantastic. So different. Darker, more melancholic than anything I had heard so far. I love all the songs, all the solos. Apostrophe, Overnite, Burnt, Sleep dirt... Next sept : Lather I don't know.
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darkshade
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Posted: March 18 2013 at 21:19 |
^ Sounds good to me!!! Although, I think you should get One Size Fits All or Roxy & Elsewhere first, then get the mammoth Lather.
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hellogoodbye
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Posted: March 19 2013 at 02:19 |
Here, everything becomes more difficult. I love Roxy, but other albums like "One size, Hot Rats, Zoot, Uncle, Grand Wazoo, Waka, Lumpy and the three first Mothers have never satisfied me completely. I'm looking for something else, something that I have found in Burnt and Sleep Dirt, a cohesion that finally matches the dream of music I had in mind. Zappa and me, it is an old story of love and hate. At this moment, I remember a melody that I thought forgotten: the conclusive piece of 200 motels, a very simple song that gradually turns into opera. I think that's what I'm currently looking for. Any suggestion
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HolyMoly
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Posted: March 19 2013 at 06:50 |
It sounds like you like Zappa music that's hard to classify as either rock, classical, or jazz, but contains elements of all three. Weeny and Sleep Dirt both seem to have this quality. Maybe Orchestral Favorites would be a good one for you. It's also in that strange intersection between classical, rock, and jazz, focusing on orchestral arrangements. It's pretty closely tied to 200 Motels, too, as the movie's closing piece "Strictly Genteel" is revisited here, and "Bogus Pomp" incorporates themes from 200 Motels also (e.g. "This Town is a Sealed Tuna Sandwich"). There's also a new version of "Duke of Prunes" from the 2nd Mothers album and adds a neat feedbacky guitar solo like you heard on Sleep Dirt.
Edited by HolyMoly - March 19 2013 at 06:51 |
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hellogoodbye
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Posted: March 19 2013 at 07:15 |
Thanks
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hellogoodbye
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Posted: March 19 2013 at 09:45 |
Hummm ... So, Studio Tan and Orchestral favorites or Lather ? Or the three ones ?
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TODDLER
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Posted: March 19 2013 at 11:21 |
The first time I heard Frank Zappa's music was at my cousin's house in 1972. The whole entire evening was off the wall and shocking to me ..as I was only like 15 years old and he proceeded to play the GTO'S album, Wild Man Fischer, Captain Beefheart, and Lord Buckley. As termed often as "Outsider Music", a bunch of us were visiting my cousin that evening and simply had no idea/clue what kind of music this specifically was or the overall concept of the meaning behind Zappa signing such artists and his purpose (if any?), to make the music available to fans of his own. My cousin played the Bizzare/Straight albums and they were interspersed between his Zappa albums. We were all a bunch of "hippie wanna-be's" who had brothers/sisters 5 or 6 years older that were "real hippies" before Madison Ave got a hold of them. At one time I owned about 6 of those Bizzare/Straight releases on LP, later trading them and can't recall the sequence musically/mentally of their sound or characteristic. I am just now listening to "An Evening With Wild Man Fischer" and other thoughts begin to submerged. First time I heard --The Residents and Throbbing Gristle I remember being curious and my mind thought..you've been here before. And I still wonder if Zappa influenced others with the idea/concept of actually making a attempt to create a band like this. Investing in projects as he often did was obviously a sign of ambition and so he went the distance.
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HolyMoly
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Posted: March 19 2013 at 11:54 |
^^ Very insightful, you have a unique perspective among people I've known.
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hellogoodbye
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Posted: March 19 2013 at 12:12 |
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JohnnyS
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Posted: March 19 2013 at 16:12 |
As everyone says, there is such a range of music that comes under the Zappa or Mothers (or various combinations of) it's almost impossible to pin it down.
60's social commentary; We're Only In It For the money, Absolutely Free and Freak Out for avant-garde jazz, musique concrete, I'd say listen to Uncle Meat. avant-garde musique Concrete and classical; listen to Lumpy Gravy (Especially the original release on Capitol records, as re-issued in the Lumpy Money project /object release) one size fits all is great, in my opinion, along side hot rats. You Can't Do That On Stage Anymore vol 2 is a complete concert recording, and shows tha amazing musicianship of his band at the time. 70's social commentary I'd recommend Sheikh Yerbouti (but it is pretty challenging in places) And if you are in the mood for a spot of doo-wop, head for Cruisin' With Ruben and the Jets - but avoid the 1984 version with the horrible sounding re-recorded drums and bass. those are my thoughts anyway - and by the way hello, this is my first post! JohnnyS |
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hellogoodbye
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Posted: March 19 2013 at 16:28 |
Hello
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hellogoodbye
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Posted: March 19 2013 at 16:33 |
The Lumpy Money Project/Object sounds great but it's very expensive. Maybe a next 2013 reissue ?
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Larree
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Posted: March 19 2013 at 20:05 |
Just found this on youtube. The "Smoke on the Water" show! Great selection of early Zappa songs.Frank Zappa Montreux 1971 (the famous concert with the fire)1971-12-04 Montreux Casino, Switzerland - This is the complete recording of the entire concert, from the intro to the sounds of the fire burning the casino and the band's equipment. The song "Smoke on the Water" by Deep Purple is about the incident. band: Frank Zappa, Mark Volman, Howard Kaylan, Jim Pons, Ian Underwood, Don Preston, Aynsley Dunbar. tracks: Intro, Peaches En Regalia, Tears Began To Fall, She Painted Up Her Face, Half A Dozen Provocative Squats, Call Any Vegetable, Anyway The Wind Blows, Magdalena, Dog Breath, Sofa Suite, Pound For A Brown, Sleeping In A Jar, Wonderful Wino, Sharleena, Cruisin' For Burgers, King Kong (interrupted by fire). |
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darkshade
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Posted: March 20 2013 at 10:21 |
^ The way Zappa is telling everyone to calmly head for the exit is kinda funny. Sounds like something that should have been on one of his albums, kinda like "the white zone is for loading......". Good set anyway, I listened to some of it, I do like the Flo n Eddie band so I enjoyed it.
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HolyMoly
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Posted: March 20 2013 at 10:27 |
That show, by the way, was released by Zappa as part of the "Beat the Boots II" series, a double CD under the name "Swiss Cheese/Fire!" It's a nice show. Pity it had to end just as King Kong was getting going.
The CD is out of print, but the album is still available as a download. http://www.amazon.com/Swiss-Cheese-fire/dp/B001CBKMVI/ref=sr_1_1?s=music&ie=UTF8&qid=1363793169&sr=1-1&keywords=zappa+swiss+cheese |
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Larree
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Posted: March 21 2013 at 10:37 |
Frank Zappa on the Steve Allen Show playing a bicycle in 1963. Frank Zappa is the father of all things progressive in rock!
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