Is Steven Wilson making Prog music?

rogerthat wrote: Please remember that you started this topic.  You were not dragged into it.  So you have to consider opinions that you don't find so pleasant too, it is a discussion forum.  You cannot ask not to be disturbed or bothered.  People are going to give their opinions and some of them may attempt to refute your own. If you don't like all that, don't make a thread.<div id="LCS_FE1DEEEA_DB6D_44b8_83F0_34FC0F9D1052_communicationDiv">

i do accept any opposite opinions and i like to hear everyones opinions but i have a severe problem with those who dont, i thank for the links you posted but be sure i never claimed Raven is not prog i was talking about Wilson and Wilson concludes Blackfield too

rogerthat wrote: Please remember that you started this topic.  You were not dragged into it.  So you have to consider opinions that you don't find so pleasant too, it is a discussion forum.  You cannot ask not to be disturbed or bothered.  People are going to give their opinions and some of them may attempt to refute your own. If you don't like all that, don't make a thread.<div id="LCS_FE1DEEEA_DB6D_44b8_83F0_34FC0F9D1052_communicationDiv">

i do accept any opposite opinions and i like to hear everyones opinions but i have a severe problem with those who dont, i thank you for the links you posted but be sure i never claimed Raven is not prog i was talking about Wilson and Wilson includes Blackfield too

sorcerer kermes wrote: Genesis after Gabriel and Hackett was not a prog band it was a sucessful pop act

Burning Rope
The Lady Lies
Duke's Travels
Dodo/Lurker
Home By The Sea/Second
Tonight, Tonight, Tonight
Domino
The Brazilian
Do The Neurotic
Feeding The Fire
Driving The Last Spike
Fading Lights
Dreaming While You Sleep
On The Shoreline

To name a few.


Edited by The Doctor - March 17 2013 at 22:03

Another thing. Pink Floyd is a prog band that is extremely popular regardless. I think that your opinion of Animals is one that could exclude you from being a prog fan or a Pink Floyd unintentionally popular songs. No one can argue that a cut you hear on the radio from Pink Floyd is better than the long play. You can't say the same (with any validity) about Supertramp for instance who seem to be a pop act who were swept into the torrent of prog rock that was selling well all around them. That's not to discredit Crime Of The Century as a prog classic, it just sounds to me like they may have had a different agenda when the wrote and recorded the album than say a band that meant to write a prog album like Octopus by Gentle Giant or Close To The Edge by Yes. In a Genesis interview the members expressed that it was important to them that the song came first and the technique came second as a rule for writing music. The belief has never been more clear than in the three man era, but it was all but lost in the 80s when true prog (not prog bands that disguised themselves as pop acts) became technique over song writing and ruined prog forever in a artless heavy showoff of alleged skills where your notes per second became more important than a cohesive story or a flowing long play. Steven Wilson appeals to a wider audience than say the Flower Kings or Nektar but I'd hazard a guess that Mastadon, and Opeth are much more the prostitute for bending over and allowing the metal crowd to ravage a gorgeous genre or Coheed And Cambria who have even invited the dreaded hipster intoprog circles. No Steven Wilson is a true prog artist who is recognized independently of his genre for his wonderful and accessible art, even behind tge veil of such a pretentious and exclusive circle of artists and fans. I would never expect Joe Tapout Shirt to understand or enjoy Tarkus or Francis The Mute sooner than Moving Pictures The Wall or The Raven That Refused To Sing.

sorcerer kermes wrote: or any other site or music community , even you can ask a kid in a kindergarten!

tamijo wrote:   Not to mention that there is no such thing as a "real Prog fan", what is that ?

Ahhh come on now Doc!!!! What the hell does that mean?!?!?! Anybody who knows anything - knows that the internet doesn't lie!

The Doctor wrote: sorcerer kermes wrote: The Doctor wrote: sorcerer kermes wrote: Genesis after Gabriel and Hackett was not a prog band it was a sucessful pop act Burning Rope The Lady Lies Duke's Travels Dodo/Lurker Home By The Sea/Second Tonight, Tonight, Tonight Domino The Brazilian Do The Neurotic Feeding The Fire Driving The Last Spike Fading Lights Dreaming While You Sleep On The Shoreline To name a few. look for the genre mentioned for each album: http://www.allmusic.com/album/invisible-touch-mw0000190104 http://www.allmusic.com/album/we-cant-dance-mw0000269602 http://www.allmusic.com/album/duke-mw0000189985 http://www.allmusic.com/album/abacab-mw0000650185 http://www.allmusic.com/album/genesis-mw0000650186 or look for them at last.fm: http://www.last.fm/music/Genesis/We+Can%27t+Dance read the bio: http://www.discogs.com/artist/Genesis or any other site or music community , even you can ask a kid in a kindergarten! or (the best way i suggest) you can simply listen to them and see if you can recognise any difference between Gabriel years or after that! You've been reading "How To Win Friends and Influence People", haven't you? Obviously they were different after Gabriel left and then even more different after Hackett left, but to dismiss them outright as a pop band after Hackett left ignores the fact that they still made quality prog music, albeit they also threw in good doses of pop on their later albums (some of that pop was quite good btw).  And, I don't base my musical knowledge on how allmusic or last.fm classifies something.

maybe you should sometimes check out other web pages on net rather just base your knowledge on Progarchives

and about that that book never heard of it but if you have it i would be happy to read it

sorcerer kermes wrote: Snow Dog wrote: sorcerer kermes wrote: The Doctor wrote: sorcerer kermes wrote: The Doctor wrote: sorcerer kermes wrote: Genesis after Gabriel and Hackett was not a prog band it was a sucessful pop act Burning Rope The Lady Lies Duke's Travels Dodo/Lurker Home By The Sea/Second Tonight, Tonight, Tonight Domino The Brazilian Do The Neurotic Feeding The Fire Driving The Last Spike Fading Lights Dreaming While You Sleep On The Shoreline To name a few. look for the genre mentioned for each album: http://www.allmusic.com/album/invisible-touch-mw0000190104 http://www.allmusic.com/album/we-cant-dance-mw0000269602 http://www.allmusic.com/album/duke-mw0000189985 http://www.allmusic.com/album/abacab-mw0000650185 http://www.allmusic.com/album/genesis-mw0000650186 or look for them at last.fm: http://www.last.fm/music/Genesis/We+Can%27t+Dance read the bio: http://www.discogs.com/artist/Genesis or any other site or music community , even you can ask a kid in a kindergarten! or (the best way i suggest) you can simply listen to them and see if you can recognise any difference between Gabriel years or after that! You've been reading "How To Win Friends and Influence People", haven't you? Obviously they were different after Gabriel left and then even more different after Hackett left, but to dismiss them outright as a pop band after Hackett left ignores the fact that they still made quality prog music, albeit they also threw in good doses of pop on their later albums (some of that pop was quite good btw).  And, I don't base my musical knowledge on how allmusic or last.fm classifies something.  maybe you should sometimes check out other web pages on net rather just base your knowledge on Progarchives Maybe you should stop insulting people. stop accusing me of insults , i never did, i just respond people as same as they approach me, but i think the problem is opposite views are not accepted here