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zumacraig ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: December 10 2011 Status: Offline Points: 1301 |
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yeah, that's hilarious!
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Roj ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: July 02 2008 Location: Manchester, UK Status: Offline Points: 3126 |
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zumacraig ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: December 10 2011 Status: Offline Points: 1301 |
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i see it from both ends. for me, i wish production was a bit more down to earth. i have yet to hear a band mix the best of neo and classic prog production aesthetics other than TFK. rush definitely could still write songs in the 80s. the production of MP is just so good and universal at that. why can't that be the norm...or was it a fluke?
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Roland113 ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: March 30 2008 Location: Pittsburgh, PA Status: Offline Points: 3843 |
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M27Barney ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: November 09 2006 Location: Swinton M27 Status: Offline Points: 3136 |
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Roland, Horizons and Roj...Hey sound like a band name to me - however......
I often change my mind and I wasn't suggesting that Rush produce repeats of 2112 ad-nauseum - all I was suggesting that just maybe they could have produced a couple of CD's that re-captured the brilliance - 1975-1980....
If you like your electro-pop or whatever Rush morphed into post 1980 - then quite possibly they may have produced a lot of music for your liking......With me it was the absolute loathing of "Signals"....hate that CD and still do to this day...thus I can't be arsed listining to anything later...I may be missing something I may like a bit - but I haven't got time to find out - too busy exploring the many avenues of symphonic prog left open to me.....I did like a bit of electronica when I was younger but I find it godawful now for some strange reason...I could put it on in the background, but I just couldn't LISTEN to it.......Unlike some of you my palate is seemingly narrowing rather than widening with age......By the time I'm ninety I'll be listening to a constant loop of a single prog epic..as the alzeimers kicks in it will as if I'm re-discovering the track every trip back round the loop......
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Roj ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: July 02 2008 Location: Manchester, UK Status: Offline Points: 3126 |
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I just can't listen to symph prog all the time, even though it's my favourite style of music. I love electronic music (both prog and non-prog, IDM electronica etc) and I probably listen to that stuff half of the time these days.
Add a slice of psych/space rock, heavy rock/metal/prog, @modern prog', some mainstream rock, some pop, crossover prog and ambient, and you have the idea. Incidentally, Rob is spot on about Count of Tuscany, brilliant song and miles better than anything on the latest DT. Mangini is truly an awesome drummer but I think they'll miss MP in the long term. It'll be interesting to see what their new album is like. |
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Horizons ![]() Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: January 20 2011 Location: Somewhere Else Status: Offline Points: 16952 |
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^ Funny analogy. I suppose i'll stop trying to silence the silly criticism.
Has anyone listened to Gotye before? He's famous for the wonderful (if you haven't overheard it already) Somebody I Used To Know. I just got his previous album, Like Drawing Blood and it's rhythmic genius with mesmerizing vocal arrangements. Fairly Gabriel-ish. Highly recommended for anyone looking for complex indie-pop.
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Crushed like a rose in the riverflow.
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Roland113 ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: March 30 2008 Location: Pittsburgh, PA Status: Offline Points: 3843 |
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Say what you will, I have "Roll the Bones" in my top fifty favorite albums so I'm with you Horizons, there's a lot of good stuff after Moving Pictures. I've found that trying to convince Barney of your point of view is kind of like getting a score of grasshoppers to synchronize their jumps . . . it just ain't going to happen. Once he has an idea in his head, there's no shiftin' it.
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Horizons ![]() Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: January 20 2011 Location: Somewhere Else Status: Offline Points: 16952 |
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Good music is good music, and post-MP has a lot of it. Their musicianship was being executed in the albums very well. Some of Geddy's best bass work is after Moving Pictures. Sure the music isn't like Cygnus X-1, but songs like The Analog Kid, Leave That Thing Alone, Force Ten, etc etc are still great songs. Why would a band want to keep making the same music for 40 years? I know i wouldn't. That's why a lot of these retro bands sound so cheesy, too bad they can't really keep up with modern music. ...........Sad Really....
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Horizons ![]() Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: January 20 2011 Location: Somewhere Else Status: Offline Points: 16952 |
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Snakes and Arrows is a brilliant album and is mixed very well - it's a fantastic sounding album.
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zumacraig ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: December 10 2011 Status: Offline Points: 1301 |
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http://www.rosfest.com/
looks like our boys are playing ROSfest. if this is on of only a few dates in the USA, i may be coming to visit you Infandous and Roland!
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zumacraig ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: December 10 2011 Status: Offline Points: 1301 |
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TFK albums are a bit compressed, but nothing like the last 3 Rush albums. good point.
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Mr. Mustard ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: May 06 2012 Location: Maine, USA Status: Offline Points: 207 |
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I noticed the new Rush album is heavily compressed. Funnily enough, I think The Flower Kings have been one of the most consistent bands. Sum of No Evil and Banks of Eden are pretty close in quality to Back In the World or Retropolis.
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zumacraig ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: December 10 2011 Status: Offline Points: 1301 |
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Bump!
where are my people?
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zumacraig ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: December 10 2011 Status: Offline Points: 1301 |
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yeah, i find it utterly fascinating how bands lose their muse. rush lost it long long ago, as did Yes. it's really too bad. artists tend to have a period of 10 years where they effortlessley create amazing works and then spend a good 30 trying to recapture the magic. the thing with these bands is that it's the production. rush working with some alt rock producer does them no favors. they need to record bass, drums and guitar and vocals. no over dubs, no compressioin, no reverb...NOTHING. same with Yes. if they did this, they'd be hailed more than they are for the drivel they've been putting out for years. i wanna hear ged's bass up front and alex's guitar awash in flange panning the entire speaker set up. and i want a fat snare right in the middle with toms panning as well. i've found rick ruben's work interesting over the last few decades as he's produced these so-called masterpieces by older artists. the truth is, he does nothing. he under produces and johnny cash's acoustic album is hailed as a masterpiece. i'm just absolutely amazed at how stupid artists are about their own craft sometimes.
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M27Barney ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: November 09 2006 Location: Swinton M27 Status: Offline Points: 3136 |
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Oh and while on the subject - I get the ...why dont you listen to snake & arrows or whatever - WHY THE FOOK SHOULD I - got far more interesting bands to explore - ones that are producing proper symphonic prog not doo-dah-diddly-twiddle-dee warch........
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M27Barney ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: November 09 2006 Location: Swinton M27 Status: Offline Points: 3136 |
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I must buy some of "The tangent", my dismissal of Signals is obviously a direct comparison of the subliminal works that preceded it.....I despair that a band of such talent spent the next 30 years producing commercial dirge, surely a double CD revisiting mid 70's pomp wouldn't have been too much trouble for them.......Sad Really....
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darkshade ![]() Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: November 19 2005 Location: New Jersey Status: Offline Points: 10964 |
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COMM, A Place In The Queue, or the debut. However, they are very consistent, so they're all good on some level. |
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zeqexes ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: September 19 2012 Location: Australia Status: Offline Points: 1238 |
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The whole of The Count of Tuscany is amazing imo, especially the ending.
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Horizons ![]() Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: January 20 2011 Location: Somewhere Else Status: Offline Points: 16952 |
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Listen to A Place in the Queue. And dismissing Signals as a crockpot of sh*t must be coming from someone who only listens to prog
Edited by Horizons - February 15 2013 at 21:49 |
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