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Posted: June 25 2012 at 05:53
Chico Hamilton's magnificent albums during the early to mid 60's are somewhat overlooked. Probably because they weren't experimenting with free form avantgarde jazz. But while Coleman and Ayler blew their horns and jazz out of the mainstream and into the finearts, Chico's quintet, with Charles Lloyd's free spirited, wandering, groovin' compositions and especially the eastern/indian/rockin' sounds of hungarian (electric) guitarist Gabor Szabo... practically invented psychedelia and Jazzrock-fusion. Rick Manczarek must have heard Szabo playing at some point before The End. Here's the title track from 1962's Man From Two Worlds:
Check out Szabo's own composition, the 13 minute+ Lady Gabor (from Passin' Thru same year, same lineup. Bonus on CD version of The Man..) for more in a similar vein.
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Posted: June 25 2012 at 08:53
Jonathan wrote:
Were the First Proto-Prog Songs "She's No There" and "Tell Her No" by the Zombies or was it "Go Now" by The Moody Blues? If these songs aren't Proto-Prog then what was the First Proto-Prog song?
All the songs you mention are really great songs but nowhere being near proto-prog IMO. I would agree with Ian Macdonald of King Crimson when he says the Beatles, 'Yesterday', was 'the beginning of
progressive-rock' with its inclusion of strings as an integral part of the
texture, and 'suggested to me how classical elements could be brought into rock
music'
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Posted: January 31 2013 at 16:41
NYSPORTSFAN wrote:
Jonathan wrote:
Were the First Proto-Prog Songs "She's No There" and "Tell Her No" by the Zombies or was it "Go Now" by The Moody Blues? If these songs aren't Proto-Prog then what was the First Proto-Prog song?
All the songs you mention are really great songs but nowhere being near proto-prog IMO. I would agree with Ian Macdonald of King Crimson when he says the Beatles, 'Yesterday', was 'the beginning of progressive-rock' with its inclusion of strings as an integral part of the texture, and 'suggested to me how classical elements could be brought into rock music'
IMO "Yesterday" is a good song but it's not Proto-Prog because it's not Rock.
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Posted: February 01 2013 at 10:40
Telstar and the other Joe Meek stuff is definitely on my proto list. Really psychedelic stuff.
What else?
And, definitely, anything from the Byrds. The first one might be "It's No Use" with a breathtaking, and really brief, guitar solo at 1:20. The strange chromatic 'what I love to live' part with the cryptic lyrics also qualifies. These jazzy licks surely were the blueprint for many proto-prog material from America. Jefferson Airplane sounded a lot like the Byrds on their debut album...
Edited by Einsetumadur - February 01 2013 at 10:42
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Posted: February 03 2013 at 23:31
Einsetumadur wrote:
Telstar and the other Joe Meek stuff is definitely on my proto list. Really psychedelic stuff.
What else?
And, definitely, anything from the Byrds. The first one might be "It's No Use" with a breathtaking, and really brief, guitar solo at 1:20. The strange chromatic 'what I love to live' part with the cryptic lyrics also qualifies. These jazzy licks surely were the blueprint for many proto-prog material from America. Jefferson Airplane sounded a lot like the Byrds on their debut album...
Mike Bloomfield's East West is one of the two track which always figured to me as the first really progessive instrumentals as well. Bloomfield's epic is beyond these days psychedelia / blues rock movement; Bloomfield guitar's work is amazing.
Also, The Ox, composed by John Entwistle (RIP), from My Generation album, 1965; imo, nobody did do a proggy song like this before :
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Posted: February 18 2013 at 14:06
Runaway-Del Shanon Tel Star-The Tornadoes Good Vibrations-the Beach boys Norwegian Wood-The Beatles Tomorrow never knows-The Beatles return of the son of monster magnet-Frank Zappa and the mothers of invention Astronomy domine(and others from Piper)Pink Floyd excuse me THE Pink Floyd.
The Zombies actually became more proggish but still proto prog with their Odessey and Oracle album. That's the one that had "time of the season" on it(which imo isn't even the best song on the album).
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Posted: March 02 2013 at 04:16
We have to be careful here. I am being pedantic but the question is what might be the first Proto-prog song. Song means it has to have "singing". So a number of the tracks put forward don't qualify. But I know, I know who cares?!
I
am glad someone (Prog-Traveller) has put Del Shannon's 1961 hit
"Runaway' in there. The song itself isn't all that proto-prog but the
unusual-for-its-day 26 sec musical interlude (from 1.10 to 1.36) with
Shannon's keyboardist, Max Crook playing his self-invented
clavione-based electric keyboard, the Musitron, makes this track very
different from anything that was released before it. Listen here:
If
we are allowed to include just music, then The Dr Who theme from 1963
is right up there. Fascinating reading here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_Who_theme_music Funny I
always thought that this recording was the first moog synthesizer track
ever but it is not a moog synthesizer at all. Here's the theme:
Then
there is what I believe is really the first proto-prog song. The Byrds
"Eight Miles High" first recorded in December 1965 for RCA, which was
some 4 months before the better known version was released in early
1966. I understand someone putting forward "It's No Use" by the Byrds
but "Eight Miles High is pure proto-prog from go to whoa. What a
fantastic song! Here's the 1965 version:
And here is the more familiar one from early 1966. They are quite different.
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Posted: March 17 2013 at 10:56
Lot of interesting choices from bands and people in the very early days there , but to me the so-called proto prog sound came out of the early psychedelic rock bands (65-68) who eventually morphed into prog; particularly the Brit bands.
If we keep pushing the envelope back to some of the early electronic oddities, and other jazz musicians mentioned then we start straying from rock as someone mentioned above and it becomes progressive music in general and not prog rock imho.
For me when The Beatles did songs like Tommorrow never Knows, Strawberry Fields, and I Am The Walrus that's as proto prog as it gets....along with all the other psych rock and psych pop bands back then who had many early prog elements in their songs.
One does nothing yet nothing is left undone. Haquin
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Posted: March 17 2013 at 11:23
BarryGlibb wrote:
ole-the-first wrote:
Sorry ole..I can't hear anything that is proto-prog in this song. Please explain.
1. Unconventional song structure. It starts like a lullaby and then building up into the journey of dream. Six different melodies were used in less than three minutes instead of verse-chorus structure. 2. Use of symphonic arrangements.
Isn't that enough to consider this song non-conventional and experimental, and so also proto-progressive?
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