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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 14 2013 at 11:31
Don't the Kennedys have someone in line for the throne?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 14 2013 at 16:54
Privatize the post office.
At the very least start by opening that sh*t up to competition. A certain post office in southern central NJ is the slowest/rudest lot I've ever seen. And my god...talk about poor morale, you can cut the depression in the air.

While I love the mail guy who comes to my job personally....he arrives between 11:00-12:45 with no real uniformity. A little silly and since I'm at a single person site right now, really holds me up! UPS and FedEx, those drivers are always within 10, 15 minutes at most.
Partial personal vent, partial it just should be done anywayLOL


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 14 2013 at 17:05
Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:


Journalism is a f**king joke anymore.




No kidding.


Yup. Hillary seems to be the established candidate.
My PA friend who jumped ship from D to R, has always been all about Hillary (WTF?) and has already said he'll jump ship again to support her.
Which in itself is a great picture of our political state!

Total lack of conviction. Not that I totally want all our leaders to be ideological, (I'd rather them just govern) but it's sickening how even at local levels things are so f**ked up.
And I always have to watch myself on the topic...the guy is from Western PA and since he was a semi insider as well, I fear MoM will know who I mean. LOL OH SHIIII maybe it's MoM!? Shocked All a very elaborate ruse you put on here


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 14 2013 at 19:04
Never been registered democrat so it couldn't be me.  I was once somewhat of a republican insider, though, so there would be a slight chance I'd know him if you decided to name names.  Not that I care who they are.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 14 2013 at 22:48
At this point, I'm half expecting Chris Christie to flip parties and run as a Democrat in 2016.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 14 2013 at 22:50
Originally posted by thellama73 thellama73 wrote:

At this point, I'm half expecting Chris Christie to flip parties and run as a Democrat in 2016.
 
He did just shake down the rest of the country to pay for the rebuilding of beach homes.
 
The Onion nails this one:


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 15 2013 at 11:39
Originally posted by timothy leary timothy leary wrote:

Originally posted by Equality 7-2521 Equality 7-2521 wrote:

Originally posted by timothy leary timothy leary wrote:

Any sympathy for the female basketball coach and her fiance who were executed by the ex policemen? What did they do to deserve to lose their lives? 


Plenty of sympathy for them. I can also feel sympathy for the killer though. I find this especially important when you see the society that breeds a killer. We have a killer cop who was killed by other cops in a barbaric manner. Do you think there's any connection between the type of behavior deemed acceptable by the cops acting as official agents and the behavior that some cops like Donner deem acceptable when acting as individuals?

So society bred the killer. It is society's fault someone makes a personal choice to run around killing innocent people?Or are you speaking of the society of the police, which then I can understand. At any rate the media is loving it.


I'm saying that us against attitude of large city police forces and the administrative oversight that allows and encourages behavior such as burning a person alive and opening fire on cars matching the description of an on the lamb felon certainly has negative effects on the psyches of the individuals involved and we should not disregard how atrocities done in the name of 'justice' as uniformed officers may carry over to atrocities done in the name of 'justice' as ununiformed individuals. This is vastly different than saying that Donner didn't do anything wrong or society made him do it or some other alleviation of guilt.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 15 2013 at 14:30
Dorner, not Donner.

"on the lam," not "on the lamb"

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 15 2013 at 14:36
I'm on the lamb, but I ain't no sheep. 
I can understand your anger at me, but what did the horse I rode in on ever do to you?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 15 2013 at 15:51
Originally posted by Equality 7-2521 Equality 7-2521 wrote:

Originally posted by timothy leary timothy leary wrote:

Originally posted by Equality 7-2521 Equality 7-2521 wrote:

Originally posted by timothy leary timothy leary wrote:

Any sympathy for the female basketball coach and her fiance who were executed by the ex policemen? What did they do to deserve to lose their lives? 


Plenty of sympathy for them. I can also feel sympathy for the killer though. I find this especially important when you see the society that breeds a killer. We have a killer cop who was killed by other cops in a barbaric manner. Do you think there's any connection between the type of behavior deemed acceptable by the cops acting as official agents and the behavior that some cops like Donner deem acceptable when acting as individuals?

So society bred the killer. It is society's fault someone makes a personal choice to run around killing innocent people?Or are you speaking of the society of the police, which then I can understand. At any rate the media is loving it.


I'm saying that us against attitude of large city police forces and the administrative oversight that allows and encourages behavior such as burning a person alive and opening fire on cars matching the description of an on the lamb felon certainly has negative effects on the psyches of the individuals involved and we should not disregard how atrocities done in the name of 'justice' as uniformed officers may carry over to atrocities done in the name of 'justice' as ununiformed individuals. This is vastly different than saying that Donner didn't do anything wrong or society made him do it or some other alleviation of guilt.
Now that more info has come forth I definitely agree with what you say.I see the media complicit in the LA police dept. coverup when they agree to back off reporting the news as it happens.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 15 2013 at 16:08
Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

Dorner, not Donner.

"on the lam," not "on the lamb"

Wink


 
What are yinz complainin' bout, now?


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 15 2013 at 17:16
Originally posted by The Doctor The Doctor wrote:

I'm on the lamb, but I ain't no sheep. 


You beat me to it. Wink
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 15 2013 at 18:16
Has nothing to do with being libertarian or anything, its actually the weather nerd in me...rebuilding the NJ coastline is kinda irresponsible even arrogant. Especially to use government money for it. What can ya do? Its a massive load of tourism $ for the state and we already have none LOL I like Christie but he is a politician still, even the best can't be perfect.
Still we should totes give em more power to make the progressive utopia right!?Tongue

Bad enough insurance already allows people to build uber expensive houses in ridiculously dangerous areas. 


Originally posted by manofmystery manofmystery wrote:

Never been registered democrat so it couldn't be me.  I was once somewhat of a republican insider, though, so there would be a slight chance I'd know him if you decided to name names.  Not that I care who they are.


His name is Steve, and he gave me a deep look into how f**ked up even at local levels things can be. Supposedly he got a pretty decent position in the Romney PA campaign, and he told us how he helped try to get as many Ron Paul/Gary Johnson potential voters booted off the eligible list Angry
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 15 2013 at 18:39
Reading "Where Keynes Went Wrong" by Hunter Lewis and it's pretty good.
I tried Hazlitt's critique of Keynes and it was just so difficult, Lewis' is much more accessible and down to earth, but still quite good.

Again, not that I can fully say I'm an Austrian, nor can I totally eliminate belief in government spending, more than most of you could accept surely, but I've given up most belief in Keynes. Even if well intended the more I learn, more I see his policies as leading to bad times if taken all the way.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 15 2013 at 21:08
Originally posted by JJLehto JJLehto wrote:


Again, not that I can fully say I'm an Austrian, nor can I totally eliminate belief in government spending, more than most of you could accept surely, but I've given up most belief in Keynes. Even if well intended the more I learn, more I see his policies as leading to bad times if taken all the way.

When I think of it, I find there's not much of a difference between Keynesian stimulus and the Friedman helicopter (which is interesting because they are diametrically opposite positions).  The principle is the same, to throw more money at the economy to spur growth, with the difference being that in the Keynesian approach, the govt spends it while in the latter, the central bank increases money supply, but either way, the govt ignites the printing machines.  I think the failure of both economists, geniuses as they were, to acknowledge that their approach was not tailored to all situations has caused grave consequences though the blame for that undoubtedly lies with those who applied these theories indiscriminately.  There was no case to ease liquidity in the noughties and yet Greenspan did, which to me is the single most important factor that contributed to the meltdown.  The world economy would have crawled on with all the inherent structural flaws of the extant arrangement had he only not so drastically increased and then squeezed liquidity through the bank rate.  Likewise, there was no justification for massive big govt in the peacetime years post WWII.  I wonder how people did distinguish at that time between capitalism and communism. LOL  Both sides actually seem to have been big on govt, for whatever may have been their reasons.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 16 2013 at 01:59
Originally posted by manofmystery manofmystery wrote:

Originally posted by thellama73 thellama73 wrote:

At this point, I'm half expecting Chris Christie to flip parties and run as a Democrat in 2016.
 
He did just shake down the rest of the country to pay for the rebuilding of beach homes.
 


That's a pretty disingenuous representation of the situation.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 16 2013 at 08:34
Originally posted by *frinspar* *frinspar* wrote:

Originally posted by manofmystery manofmystery wrote:

Originally posted by thellama73 thellama73 wrote:

At this point, I'm half expecting Chris Christie to flip parties and run as a Democrat in 2016.
 
He did just shake down the rest of the country to pay for the rebuilding of beach homes.
 


That's a pretty disingenuous representation of the situation.
 
I disagree.  Governors, and other politicians, do this all the time.  They effectively say, "We don't believe in insurance and we don't believe that people are responsible for the their own risky decision, to build where they did, so gives us your money, rest of America."  Christy happened to be especially aggressive about it.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 16 2013 at 11:24

An oldie but a goodie:



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 16 2013 at 11:25
Originally posted by rogerthat rogerthat wrote:

Originally posted by JJLehto JJLehto wrote:


Again, not that I can fully say I'm an Austrian, nor can I totally eliminate belief in government spending, more than most of you could accept surely, but I've given up most belief in Keynes. Even if well intended the more I learn, more I see his policies as leading to bad times if taken all the way.

When I think of it, I find there's not much of a difference between Keynesian stimulus and the Friedman helicopter (which is interesting because they are diametrically opposite positions).  The principle is the same, to throw more money at the economy to spur growth, with the difference being that in the Keynesian approach, the govt spends it while in the latter, the central bank increases money supply, but either way, the govt ignites the printing machines.  I think the failure of both economists, geniuses as they were, to acknowledge that their approach was not tailored to all situations has caused grave consequences though the blame for that undoubtedly lies with those who applied these theories indiscriminately.  There was no case to ease liquidity in the noughties and yet Greenspan did, which to me is the single most important factor that contributed to the meltdown.  The world economy would have crawled on with all the inherent structural flaws of the extant arrangement had he only not so drastically increased and then squeezed liquidity through the bank rate.  Likewise, there was no justification for massive big govt in the peacetime years post WWII.  I wonder how people did distinguish at that time between capitalism and communism. LOL  Both sides actually seem to have been big on govt, for whatever may have been their reasons.


And despite his crazed free market ways....Friedman's monetary ideas actually would require great control by the Fed. Also his low, maybe zero 0% interest rates is also intervention. Ironic eh?
You're right, the Greenspan policies were a great factor in the crash, and he has even admitted it, well as much as you can expect him to.... "flaws" in his thinking he saidLOL


As for massive peacetime big gvmt that is indeed something I've thought about, like I said I see Keynes ideas' even if well meant, as a bad thing. I asked someone "I don't see how it'd stay limited to recessions, wouldn't spending have to continue forever?" and the answer was "yes. That is necessary."  Was a little surprised! And how much? WWII is what brought about the end of the depression and led to near 0 unemployment. Is that what we "need?" Constant WWII levels of spending?? No thanks
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 16 2013 at 11:38
Depends how you wanna look at it, but it can't be denied what MoM said is accurate
http://blogs.wsj.com/metropolis/2012/11/14/christie-calls-for-federal-aid-to-rebuild-beaches/
What else is asking for Federal Aid called? The rest of the country footing much of the bill.

There could be a justifiable reason for such a thing...in a case were truly a state is overwhelmed, like when Florida was hit by 4 hurricanes in a month, or when NJ suffers $30 billion in damage esp in key tourist areas, or Katrina.
Problem is FEMA has long been criticized for ineffectiveness, federal aid is often given to areas that aren't justified, and there is recklessness in having others foot the bill for building houses in dangerous areas.
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