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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 13 2013 at 14:38
^ Imagine Pepsi changing it's name cos of introducing reduced sugar content....Sorry but the ' Genesis' brand deserved to stay up to and including CAS
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 13 2013 at 14:42
^Agreed.  Otherwise, why only when Hackett left?  Why not when Gabriel left?  Or Phillips?  Or Chris Stewart?  A change in personnel doesn't usually bring about a name change in the band, especially when the leaving member wasn't even an original member of the band.  Genesis existed prior to Hackett, why not after Hackett? 
 
If Yes followed that logic, just about every album they ever did would be by a different band.  Wink


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 13 2013 at 14:46
Originally posted by Chris S Chris S wrote:

^ Imagine Pepsi changing it's name cos of introducing reduced sugar content....Sorry but the ' Genesis' brand deserved to stay up to and including CAS
I understand your point, but I think that they kept on using the Genesis brand name because it was already known.  The thing is, it wasn't Genesis anymore, the same way that Anderson Bruford Wakeman and Howe weren't Yes, and they only had Squire missing, whereas Genesis no longer had Gabriel nor Hackett aboard...
...and I do like Calling all Stations also !
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 13 2013 at 14:48
Don't get me wrong though, I love the pop period !!!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 13 2013 at 15:14
Originally posted by Melomaniac Melomaniac wrote:

Originally posted by Chris S Chris S wrote:

^ Imagine Pepsi changing it's name cos of introducing reduced sugar content....Sorry but the ' Genesis' brand deserved to stay up to and including CAS
I understand your point, but I think that they kept on using the Genesis brand name because it was already known.  The thing is, it wasn't Genesis anymore, the same way that Anderson Bruford Wakeman and Howe weren't Yes, and they only had Squire missing, whereas Genesis no longer had Gabriel nor Hackett aboard...
...and I do like Calling all Stations also !

No I know you like the pop period and respect but your comment above is plain wrong..IMHO :-)
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 13 2013 at 15:18
Originally posted by Chris S Chris S wrote:

Originally posted by Melomaniac Melomaniac wrote:

Originally posted by Chris S Chris S wrote:

^ Imagine Pepsi changing it's name cos of introducing reduced sugar content....Sorry but the ' Genesis' brand deserved to stay up to and including CAS
I understand your point, but I think that they kept on using the Genesis brand name because it was already known.  The thing is, it wasn't Genesis anymore, the same way that Anderson Bruford Wakeman and Howe weren't Yes, and they only had Squire missing, whereas Genesis no longer had Gabriel nor Hackett aboard...
...and I do like Calling all Stations also !

No I know you like the pop period and respect but your comment above is plain wrong..IMHO :-)
No problem at all, Chris, I'm not about to cry out loud or hate you due to a difference of opinion, I have the courage of my convictions and don't need approval for me to validate them. And I understand how my opinion can be seen as wrong, but I still stand by it !  Big smileHandshake
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 13 2013 at 15:50
Originally posted by Melomaniac Melomaniac wrote:

Originally posted by Chris S Chris S wrote:

Originally posted by Melomaniac Melomaniac wrote:

Originally posted by Chris S Chris S wrote:

^ Imagine Pepsi changing it's name cos of introducing reduced sugar content....Sorry but the ' Genesis' brand deserved to stay up to and including CAS
I understand your point, but I think that they kept on using the Genesis brand name because it was already known.  The thing is, it wasn't Genesis anymore, the same way that Anderson Bruford Wakeman and Howe weren't Yes, and they only had Squire missing, whereas Genesis no longer had Gabriel nor Hackett aboard...
...and I do like Calling all Stations also !

No I know you like the pop period and respect but your comment above is plain wrong..IMHO :-)
No problem at all, Chris, I'm not about to cry out loud or hate you due to a difference of opinion, I have the courage of my convictions and don't need approval for me to validate them. And I understand how my opinion can be seen as wrong, but I still stand by it !  Big smileHandshake

Nice exchange, but I have to agree with Chris and others. It was Genesis. On your argument, one wonders just how many names Crimson would have had!Confused

I will say, though, that it really is refreshing to see a cogent argument from someone who does not run down the post Gabriel and Hackett period. It makes a nice change.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 13 2013 at 16:09
Heathaze is my favourite song on the album..
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 13 2013 at 16:11
Originally posted by aginor aginor wrote:

Heathaze is my favourite song on the album..
 
Clap  I thought I was the only one. 
I can understand your anger at me, but what did the horse I rode in on ever do to you?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 13 2013 at 16:18
Originally posted by The Doctor The Doctor wrote:

Originally posted by aginor aginor wrote:

Heathaze is my favourite song on the album..
 
Clap  I thought I was the only one. 
lets toast it with a sip of some nice Lager Beer
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 13 2013 at 18:35
It's silly to dismiss good pop. It's a rarity these days anyways. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 13 2013 at 21:53
Great album, I enjoy it more than ATTWT. Guide Vocal has to be one of the best mini-songs out there.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 13 2013 at 23:30
Originally posted by Aussie-Byrd-Brother Aussie-Byrd-Brother wrote:

Doctor, I seem to recall I've got a bootleg somewhere where the band played `It's Gonna Get Better' live with an extended ambient synth intro that was really rather good. Tom Ozric on here could confirm this or not, as I think we heard it together many years ago?

Snow, I promise I'll go in with no preconceived hang-ups about the self-titled album and listen with open ears! I remember I used to dread `Abacab', nowadays I find it a hugely inventive, original and varied album I have a lot of love for!
Yes, Aussie !!  I still have that live Genesis comp. you did for me.  It's Gonna Get Better is much better as an extended piece, and my fave song on side 2 - I got all excited thinking Banks resurrected his old Hammond T organ (my main inspiration behind this thread................(and I only hear it on Duke's Travels......)), but no.......
 Apart from the Cheezy Mexicali accent, this 'Illegal Alien' novelty fares alright with me.  'Just a Job To Do' ............ really ????Angry
Side 1 is QUALITY Genesis for the time.  Mostly still, at least, Prog orientated.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 13 2013 at 23:44
Originally posted by Chris S Chris S wrote:

Really pleasing to be in a thread appreciating their Duke++++ albums. Also on the whole the enjoyment of their 'popoular' period. Abacab, Mama, Duke all great albums. Some of us grew with the band as it evolved and love almost every minute of it , others left around ATTWT and never came back save to diss their modern stuff on forums like PAWink
Well friend, here's a story for ya' !!
When I was younger - around 1985, my family and I embarked on a journey to Bali, which extended over the years to many of the other exotic islands Indonesia has to offer (Java, Lombok, Sumatra, Borneo, Sulawesi etc.) - to cut a long story short, I was only into Split Enz and The Beach Boys at the time.  I loved the 'We don't need no education' song by some 'mainstream' band.  I bought The Wall on cassette (in Bali - cheap as chips....) - it knocked my 13 year old head off its block.  Following year, I bought up a series of tapes of Pink Floyd, volumes 1 - 10.  I fell in love with Piper, Saucerful etc.  My sister bought Genesis' volumes 14 & a15 (S/T and Invisible Touch).  I was curious, gave them both a listen and was thoroughly impressed with the S/T album, but not so much I.T.  Then I visited the local 2nd-hand record shop - I selected A Trick Of The Tail -.........................................my obsession began.  
Here I am, more than a quarter century later, and still appreciating more and more some things I assumed were only mediocre................hence, my newly found fascination with DUKE.  I think the album is a direct link between impressively creative Prog of the 70's, into a more accessible proto 'Neo' Prog styling.  Although subsequant albums featured only glimpses of Prog, they still have much value.  For me, the weakest is still Invisible Touch, and that's perhaps because of the multi-platinum amount of radio songs that were (and still) thrashed out over the airwaves. 
.............and so it can be said that I'm on a bit of a Genesis bender at the moment.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 13 2013 at 23:50
Originally posted by Melomaniac Melomaniac wrote:

Duke, to me, is my favorite album from this period.  ATTWT was a weird album by a band that could'nt decide if they could make the transition from prog to mainstream pop, or if they decided, it was not assumed.  On Duke, not only was the change assumed, it was successful.  Abacab has a few great songs and a few clunkers, Genesis is a classic, Invisible Touch has a lot of amazing pop songs on it, We Can't Dance contains THE BEST Genesis songs ever since Hackett left (Fading Lights and Driving the Last Spike) and great pop numbers (No Son of Mine, I Can't Dance, etc...)
As I have previously said, many times, they should probably have changed their name from Genesis to Rutherford Banks Collins when Hackett left, that way they would have antagonized a lot less old fans I believe.
I have to concur - Fading Lights is a BRILLIANT Genesis epic.  Up there with the 70's classics.  I don't know why, but Banks often reminds me of Pete Bardens (or vice versa).  Incredible keyboardist but with purpose(in other words, no unnecessary show-boating).
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 13 2013 at 23:51
Originally posted by Chris S Chris S wrote:

^ Imagine Pepsi changing it's name cos of introducing reduced sugar content....Sorry but the ' Genesis' brand deserved to stay up to and including CAS
Genesis should be called 'Next' ??? LOLLOL
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 13 2013 at 23:55
Originally posted by aginor aginor wrote:

Originally posted by The Doctor The Doctor wrote:

Originally posted by aginor aginor wrote:

Heathaze is my favourite song on the album..
 
Clap  I thought I was the only one. 
lets toast it with a sip of some nice Lager Beer
Heathaze is a very beautiful song, everything is just so well considered and structured.  DUKE may be more 'direct' in its appraoach, but strikes me as quintessential Sympho-Prog for 1980.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 13 2013 at 23:57
I think I had a varied intro to Genesis - other than hearing `Nursery Cryme' as my first ever prog-rock album - thanks to the very same Tom Ozric here now! - I next picked up a bundle of second-hand Genesis CD's, which were `Wind and Wuthering', `Duke' and `We Can't Dance', so I kind of feel right from the start I was exposed to the many different eras of Genesis, I was open to all of them, and it's stayed that way ever since!

Genesis is known as one of the most special progressive rock bands of all time for a reason, and I always respected that each album of theirs (whether I totally loved them or not) always sounded completely different to the last - constantly evolving, changing, progressing! I certainly don't outright discredit the 80's stuff onwards.

Anyway, I'm rambling, but you get the point!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 14 2013 at 00:05
Originally posted by Aussie-Byrd-Brother Aussie-Byrd-Brother wrote:

I think I had a varied intro to Genesis - other than hearing `Nursery Cryme' as my first ever prog-rock album - thanks to the very same Tom Ozric here now! - I next picked up a bundle of second-hand Genesis CD's, which were `Wind and Wuthering', `Duke' and `We Can't Dance', so I kind of feel right from the start I was exposed to the many different eras of Genesis, I was open to all of them, and it's stayed that way ever since!

Genesis is known as one of the most special progressive rock bands of all time for a reason, and I always respected that each album of theirs (whether I totally loved them or not) always sounded completely different to the last - constantly evolving, changing, progressing! I certainly don't outright discredit the 80's stuff onwards.

Anyway, I'm rambling, but you get the point!
Dude, don't start me rambling now - you know all too well how I can ramble (sometimes very disjointedly LOLLOL) Thanks to you, I am enjoying Spock's and Transatlantic and Kurki, Arabs In Aspic, Beardfish and many, many other modern stars too.......Embarrassed (credit where credit's due)
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 14 2013 at 00:08
Oh, it's all good, my friend, a nice mix of the old with the new....and I'm listening to your old favourite (perhaps literally!) `Space Shanty' at work right now! :)

Now, my ultimate test will be if I can convince you to get that Luccassen solo album I keep banging on about!

Edited by Aussie-Byrd-Brother - February 14 2013 at 00:15
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