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ozzy_tom 
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Joined: March 15 2006 Location: China/Poland Status: Offline Points: 754 |
 Topic: Hammond organ clones with piano emulation?Posted: August 26 2012 at 23:58 |
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Hi,
I'd like to know which types of Hammond organ digital clones can also emulate the sounds of an acoustic piano? I heard about such clones but I don't know if acoustic piano samples are included or not: Korg BX-3 (dual manuals) and CX-3 (single manual) Clavia (Nord Series), Hammond SK1 Hammond XK3 Or maybe you know some other keyboards that can emulate Hammond organ and piano? Thanks for your help! |
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tonewheel1966
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Posted: August 27 2012 at 05:44 |
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For high end accoustic piano and B3 I'd recommend a Kurzweil with the KB3 feature. Having said that the Leslie sims aren't very realistic to my ears so you might want to add a Neo Ventilator. I've heard owners of the Korg CX3 and Roland VK7 say that the sound was much better through the Neo.
I don't know much about the Nord range but think they only have electric piano samples. |
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Hammond B3 Chop, Leslie 122, Leslie 760, Yamaha RA100, Kurzweil Midiboard, Kurzweil K2000S
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ozzy_tom
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Joined: March 15 2006 Location: China/Poland Status: Offline Points: 754 |
Posted: August 27 2012 at 07:00 |
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What about Korg CX3? Does it have piano samples?
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hobocamp
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Posted: August 27 2012 at 09:28 |
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The difficulty with your search is that acoustic pianos have weighted keys and mechanical action, producing soft to loud sound and phenomena such as escapement; while Hammond organs use keys that are basically switches - they are either on or off - and a mechanical rotary action to emulate wind in a pipe organ. So the attack is different for both instruments at the keyboard, which is the common denominator you seek. That said, I suppose it all comes down to how much you are willing to spend. I feel that $2500 is a median for the variety and features available on today's models, and for that you can get a Roland FP7F. Its supernatural piano sound, weighted keys, and uncomplicated design make it the best bet in my opinion. You can even take advantage of a Hammond B3 “digital drawbars” feature with the Roland Tonewheel Organ sound. Edited by hobocamp - August 27 2012 at 10:26 |
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stonebeard
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Posted: August 27 2012 at 13:08 |
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I'm sure any $1000+ workstation synthesizer/sampler would be able to do both with good enough quality and loads more. Do't underestimate how far workstation shave come in a few short years.
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ozzy_tom
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Posted: August 27 2012 at 18:56 |
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I found such info:
"In 2001 the Nord Electro was released. It was designed to emulate the classical electromechanical keyboards like Hammond organ, electric piano and Hohner Clavinet. The pianos are samples but the organs are modeled using a "digital simulation".[10] Clavia's current models here are the Electro 3, emulating a Hammond B3, a Farfisa and a Vox organ and containing samples of a Rhodes Stage 73, a Wurlitzer electric piano, a Hohner Clavinet and an acoustic grand piano;[10] the Nord Piano 2 containing the piano section from the Nord Electro 3 with an 88 key hammer action keyboard;[11] the Nord C2 Organ, a dual manual instrument containing the organ section from the Nord Electro 3 as well as an emulation of a baroque pipe organ;[12] and the Nord Stage 2 which takes the organ and pianos from the Nord Electro and adds a virtual analog synthesizer.[13]" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nord_%28Clavia%29) So maybe Clavia Electro 3 or Nord Stage 2 is a good choice? |
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Josef_K
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Posted: August 28 2012 at 07:07 |
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I own a Nord Electro 2 and I have to say the Organ sound is just smashing. However, when it comes to acoustic pianos, it's not bad, it's HORRIBLE. It's plain impossible to use that sound. The rhodes/wurlitzer samples are good and the clavinet is awesome though. However, I know that the Nord Electro 3 should have access to more samples, though they always sound better online than in the actual machine so I can't give you any advise there.
I was never too impressed with the Nord Stage. Good organ, good piano's but the virtual analog synthesizer sounds kinda dead to me, far beneath some software emulations of analog synths imo. Maybe that's just me though, I haven't heard anyone else complain about that. The Nord Electro's lack of good acoustic piano sounds is quite commonly accepted though. With the Electro 3 you should also be able to download other samples, such as mellotron etc, but I haven't been too impressed with those.
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Leave the past to burn,
At least that's been his own - Peter Hammill |
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ozzy_tom
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Posted: August 28 2012 at 08:34 |
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Thanks Josef. BTW Can Nord Electro 3 play some analog synthesizer (like Moog or ARP) sounds? Are there any samples for that? Or only pianos, mellotron and organ?
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ozzy_tom
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Posted: August 28 2012 at 08:43 |
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Do you know anything about such Roland keyboards like V-Combo VR-700 or ATELIER Combo AT-350C? Are they any good?
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Jim Garten
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Posted: August 29 2012 at 07:02 |
The Nord Electro 3 is an excellent keyboard; if you were to combine this via midi with say, one of the old EMU Vintage Keys rack modules (which are extremely easy to navigate, very intuitive), you then have access to a huge range of synths (including the Moog/ARP ones you mentioned); the Vintage keys module also has some superb Mellotron samples - these can be picked up 2nd hand at relatively low cost, too: 
Edited by Jim Garten - August 29 2012 at 07:05 |
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Josef_K
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Posted: August 30 2012 at 08:43 |
Some general info about the Nord Electro 3 can be found here: http://www.nordkeyboards.com/main.asp?tm=Products&clpm=Nord_Electro_3
It has access to the Nord Sample Library, which has lots of synth samples, a full list of them that you can listen to can be found here: http://www.nordkeyboards.com/main.asp?tm=Sound Libraries&cllibr=Nord_Sample_Library&clslib=Synth
Dunno if that link's going to work, if not then click "Nord Sample Library" (from the first link then) and then "Synths", you should find it quite easily. I haven't listened through those samples myself but I saw minimoog, polymoog and some other cool stuff there. If it sounds anything like those I don't know :D
Jim Garten has some good advice as well, though personally I'd rather buy a Moog Slim Phatty if you can stand controlling the synthesizer unit with waterfall keys (which, to me, are for organ and piano only). I can't stand that, so I bought a Little Phatty (same synth but with keys) and I couldn't be happier. Of course it costs quite a lot, I don't know what the rack that Jim suggested costs but I would guess it's at least slightly cheaper than the SP and much cheaper than the LP (obviously).
Sorry but cannot comment on the Roland keyboards. I've tried them in music shops maybe once or twice but not enough to have a real opinion. Edited by Josef_K - August 30 2012 at 08:48 |
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Leave the past to burn,
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Jim Garten
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Posted: August 30 2012 at 10:08 |
Considering what you get, it's really cheap; I picked one up on eBay for about £100 sterling |
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clarke2001
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Posted: September 03 2012 at 23:12 |
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Clavia Nord Electro/Stage - high quality, and expensive. Real drawbars.
Korg CX3 - best analog Hammond emulator I ever played. No piano. Any decent keyboard from 2000 onwards should give you good hammonds and acoustic pianos. Of course, it depends on one's taste what is "good": how much of Hammond's tiny nuances are faithfully generated. Someone mentioned Kurtzweil. I would stick to that. Yamaha Motif is also okay (drawbars on some models too). Avoid Korg Tritons like plague. Roland Junos (new ones, not the analog 80's ones) are also more than decent. Don't know about VK 7. Alesis Fusion is another contender. And of course the top end keyboards like new Roland's Jupiter and Korg Oasys. Perhaps hooking up a keyboard with a clonewheel rackmount is not a bad idea; let's say Hammond XM (or aforementioned E-MU which is much cheaper) with any keyboard with decent grand piano. |
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ozzy_tom
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Posted: September 26 2012 at 23:42 |
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Thank you for all your answers.
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Einsetumadur
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Posted: September 27 2012 at 12:55 |
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No piano, but currently a not too expensive and GREAT Hammond emulation from a German workshop:
http://www.keyboardpartner.de/hammond/hoax.htm |
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All in all each man in all men
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progbethyname
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Posted: September 27 2012 at 21:22 |
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I find that the distinct sound of a GRAND PIANO is quite hard to emmulate. what comes the closest and how much? If anyone can help. Thanks 👊
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Gimmie my headphones now!!! 🎧🤣
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HackettFan
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Posted: September 30 2012 at 09:06 |
It sure is difficult. I know most people looking at this thread are keyboard players, but I am trying to do the same on guitar. A very convincing organ is easy nowadays. All you need is the Electro-Harmonix POG2. The piano is more of a problem, ironically so since they're both string instruments. I've been able to get close by going through the Boss AC3 Acoustic Simulatir, feeding that into an Electro-Harmonix Superego with the gliss and speed turned all the way down, and then feeding that through a Boss Dynamic Wah with the mode setting on 'down' (a preamp should be inserted before the Superego). You have to play slow and plunky, though, no fast runs. And it sounds like a synthesizer imitating a piano rather than an actual piano. |
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jared gold
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Posted: February 06 2013 at 10:05 |
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Check out the JG3 folding midi organ...   www.foldingorgan.com Combines performance and portability to offer a 2 manual folding organ that folds to the size of an airplane CARRYON bag... 10 drawbars, 20 presets and fully midi mappable.
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awaken77
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Posted: February 08 2013 at 07:49 |
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Roland V-Combo VR700, VR760
Roland VK8 (no piano, but extra strings)
Clavia Nord Electro 2 / 3 / 4 Clavia Nord Stage / Stage Compact Hammond SK1 any Kurzweil Board with integrated KB3 (e.g. PC361, PC3xx, K2600 ) . but they rather stage pianos with integrated organ simulation module but here is a limitation in Nord Electro - it is impossible to split keyboard and play organ and non-organ patch simultaneously . and they preserved this in Electro 4 :-((( probably, to force some customers to buy more expensive Nord Stage, who need this feature Edited by awaken77 - February 08 2013 at 07:56 |
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awaken77
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Posted: February 08 2013 at 07:57 |
no, it is pure organ , no extra sounds Nord Electro, V-Combo and SK are sort of hybrid between organ and stage piano , they are convenient for a player who need to have a single keyboard on the stage Edited by awaken77 - February 08 2013 at 07:59 |
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