"Freedom" thread or something

I'm sick of these managers with god complexes and drunk on tiny amounts of "power", and on a more progressive/pretentious douche note...I just feel constrained and hate being actively 'managed' by people. At least in the settings I've worked in. It'd be ok if people could just manage, doing as needed, and being helpful instead of more focused and telling us what to do and thus getting in the way.

I fully admit, Im a bum. I don't want to do anything, though teaching would be enjoyable, since I love doing that. Also allows decent freedom.
This is getting off politics though.
uh........you hear about (insert politician) he sucks and stuff

JJLehto wrote: I'm sick of these managers with god complexes and drunk on tiny amounts of "power", and on a more progressive/pretentious douche note...I just feel constrained and hate being actively 'managed' by people. At least in the settings I've worked in. It'd be ok if people could just manage, doing as needed, and being helpful instead of more focused and telling us what to do and thus getting in the way. I fully admit, Im a bum. I don't want to do anything, though teaching would be enjoyable, since I love doing that. Also allows decent freedom. This is getting off politics though. uh........you hear about (insert politician) he sucks and stuff

My respect for you just increased a whole lot.  Not because you admitted to being a bum, but because you are a bum.

I'm lazy as hell.  While I give my all while at work, I don't really believe in working over 45 hours a week (which in this day and age makes me lazy).  And if I could get paid to drink beer and listen to prog (hint, hint admins ) I'd do it in a heartbeat. 

JJLehto wrote: I'm sick of these managers with god complexes and drunk on tiny amounts of "power", and on a more progressive/pretentious douche note...I just feel constrained and hate being actively 'managed' by people. At least in the settings I've worked in. It'd be ok if people could just manage, doing as needed, and being helpful instead of more focused and telling us what to do and thus getting in the way. I fully admit, Im a bum. I don't want to do anything, though teaching would be enjoyable, since I love doing that. Also allows decent freedom. This is getting off politics though. uh........you hear about (insert politician) he sucks and stuff

 You sound exactly like someone who's never been a manager.

Dean wrote: JJLehto wrote: I'm sick of these managers with god complexes and drunk on tiny amounts of "power", and on a more progressive/pretentious douche note...I just feel constrained and hate being actively 'managed' by people. At least in the settings I've worked in. It'd be ok if people could just manage, doing as needed, and being helpful instead of more focused and telling us what to do and thus getting in the way. I fully admit, Im a bum. I don't want to do anything, though teaching would be enjoyable, since I love doing that. Also allows decent freedom. This is getting off politics though. uh........you hear about (insert politician) he sucks and stuff  You sound exactly like someone who's never been a manager.

Oh no, and I wouldn't be comfortable being one.
Well, I would be but only if I was allowed to use an unorthodox style.

I know it varies greatly, but just going off my personal experience, and the stories of family and friends...once you are trained/know what to do we do fine on our own. Few times we've been without a manager we all...do our job. Same as usual, what needs to be done is done, chaos doesn't ensue. We also often come up with ideas/plans that end up being reached by the manager, which means we are as capable...but without having to run back and forth between them.

Obviously they are needed in the long run, but yeah...I'd like a manager who just teaches, then guides and will help...not hover with missile aimed at you constantly ready to attack.

rogerthat wrote: JJLehto wrote: Man I've said this before, I'm not as world traveled and knowledgeable as you, I just dont know! All I know is government sucks, corporations sucks, working for someone else, in either regard, sucks. Never wanted to take out more loans but maybe I should so I can get started on a masters ASAP and work to becoming to a prof. I can't take it anymore! Indeed, if you don't enjoy working for someone else, become a teacher or some such freelancer or become an entrepreneur ....and realize that you will work for an administrator or your clients instead of your manager.   There's no getting away from working with people and attempting to satisfy their requirements.

Ah this may sound funny but I like people! I like dealing with people and helping them, which is why in my current "just get a job and save" state I took a service related job. I know  libertarians are paranoid basement dwellers who are scared of others but I really do enjoy working with people and helping them, and from the reports from managers/coworkers I get, I do a good job!
Working for your clients is fine by me! That's business is it not? Some friends and I actually want to open a micro brew, they make some good beer, but that needs a lot of $$ naturally


Well, I am a bum at heart Doc. I sincerely would like to never work, and just chill around. Listening to music, playing it, just being, a bum!
In real life I work hard and save almost all of my $$
As I said before, my dream is to be an author, which would allow me the good life without work.
Assuming this doesn't happen, teaching is my #2.
I work hard, but chill hard I work as many hours as possible. My job is strictly 40 and rarely gets OT but at my last I'd do 50 and 60 hour weeks no sweat. Though usually that much wasn't needed it happened at busy times, did 110 hours in 2 weeks once. I believe in earning and saving.


Edited by JJLehto - February 01 2013 at 21:48

JJLehto wrote:   Obviously they are needed in the long run, but yeah...I'd like a manager who just teaches, then guides and will help...not hover with missile aimed at you constantly ready to attack.

rogerthat wrote: JJLehto wrote:   Obviously they are needed in the long run, but yeah...I'd like a manager who just teaches, then guides and will help...not hover with missile aimed at you constantly ready to attack. I hear you there and I have borne the brunt of such trigger happy managers in the past and also worked with the ones that nurture and encourage their team.   The problem, especially in operational and support functions, is people are not trained to be managers in the same way as they are trained to be lawyers, engineers or accountants and some are led to believe that it is necessary to frighten people to get them to work (again, not necessarily always an invalid belief, sorry to say).   And even if they are, at the end of the day, power is a potent weapon and it boils down to the individual how he uses it.  It also boils down to the senior management if they are interested in reining in poor bosses that get results in spite of and not because of their style.   In most cases, they don't.

Indeed, the ones who rule by fear are my least favorite, (I can more easily deal with an ass or dumb one, but the "military" or use of fear style irks me the most and I really have to eat my rage).
You are totally right, some workers need it unfortunately.

Well depends how you define free. If you consider "having" to work clients as bounded then sure, but I see freedom at work as "being your own boss", making your own money instead of selling your labor, ya know not being ruled by others. It could be argued that a businessman is "chained" to having to satisfy a client but that is the point of a market and I personally see it as more liberating.

Not to sound full of myself, I have no ideas or talents. I accept I need to more or less sell my labor to earn a living, and admire those who do have the balls/brains/talent/will to be an entrepreneur.

Epignosis wrote: Try managing cell-phone addicted teenagers who've been promoted without any requisite skills and have parents who aren't giving sh*ts about it.

That's something that managers in industry do on a regular basis. it is not something we try to do, it is something we have to do.

JJLehto wrote:    It could be argued that a businessman is "chained" to having to satisfy a client but that is the point of a market and I personally see it as more liberating.

Oh Dean sheesh why taking it so personally? I think I clarified myself by later saying I don't believe that stuff you were spewing, just many can't take the "power" and it makes them unbearable but also takes a toll on work. Which I doubt many people, even managers, would disagree with. Surely you've seen it.
That was all, glad to see after all the years you're still so jumpy and defensive




Well, I guess it's exactly that roger....if you consider that being enslaved than ok but I don't see how.
If you go down that road...what IS freedom then? By using your logic we have to arrive at, well guess we are never.
I don't agree but I'd still take being "enslaved" to consumers over  being so to a company.
Which is why being a writer or musician would be great. You can make what you want, if people buy it awesome. Just if not....have to accept living in poverty