"Freedom" thread or something

Those 4 guys I mention are essentially Hannities as far as I'm concerned....no better or worse.  People always talk about bipartisanship, etc, it isn't going to happen unless we stop screaming and demonizing each other with words.  That includes watching people like this. 

We have different philosophies on how society should run.  That's our problem.  If we try to be civil and figure out some way to make our math add up, we might have a chance.  If we just sit here, point figures, and call each other racists, fascists, etc, because it helps us score points with people watching on the sidelines, we're finished.  Either we have some basic mutual respect or I'm not interested in what people have to say.  That means we don't refer to our opponents as nazis and we don't shout down the other side when they are speaking.

I understand  you think "my side" deserves it.  I'm not interested in debating you.  I'm simply here to make a point that our leaders and our media need to act and lead more responsibly, and they can't do it by screaming and feet stamping, or by poisonous charges based on half truths and spin.  I say the same thing to both sides.  Grow the hell up.  They are both guilty. 


Edited by Finnforest - January 20 2013 at 15:26

Cool, Geoff, I can respect that.  

As a side note, the site where Wellstone's plane went down is a few minutes drive from my sister's place....I went there after it happened just to pay my respects I guess.  A good man.  He was the only Democrat running for re-election in 2002 to vote against the Iraq invasion.

 


Edited by Finnforest - January 20 2013 at 16:04

Did you know Kucinich is now a Fox pundit.  Just signed a big contract.


http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/watercooler/2013/jan/16/dennis-kucinich-cozies-fox-news/


Edited by Finnforest - January 20 2013 at 17:56

The T wrote: ^I know I will get Geoff's hate for this but, pundits aside (again, pundits aside), I feel FoxNews is less biased than CNN or MSNBC.

That doesn't even deserve a response.

I know what Teo is saying Geoff.  I just don't think you see liberal bias, because you're so in the tank for that side, so the thought seems outlandish.  

dtguitarfan wrote: The T wrote: ^I know I will get Geoff's hate for this but, pundits aside (again, pundits aside), I feel FoxNews is less biased than CNN or MSNBC. Ok, actually I will give it a response by rewording this so you see how dumb it is: "putting aside all the people who talk, I think news organization A is less biased than B or C.  I mean, if you ignore everyone who works for them, that is."

When you watch actual news coverage BEFORE prime time or in days of important events, FoxNews anchors appear to me less sold to the conservative ideal than those in other networks. You can't see ONE non-biased broadcast in MSNBC for example. Pundits? I actually ignore them. They are for blind team sport fans who root like cheerleaders for their side like you Geoff.

Thank you for honoring me with your response, allmighty savior.

Finnforest wrote: If you're talking punditry, no way Stonie.  The worst fox tendencies are mirrored by Schultz, Matthews, O Donnell, Olbermann, etc......again, I just think you guys only see venom one way.  Don't feel bad, I've noticed this about liberals......it has become ingrained somehow.....the big bad Fox is horrible.....but they're perfectly willing to give vitriol a pass coming from lefties.  That's how it is.

Though I'm somewhat left of center, I actually prefer Fox because I feel like I'm not getting what I'd prefer to hear.   Which is good.






Edited by Atavachron - January 20 2013 at 21:13

Atavachron wrote: Though I'm somewhat left of center, I actually prefer Fox because I feel like I'm not getting what I'd prefer to hear.   Which is good.

I applaud that David.  I try to see different points of view as well.  And as I've made clear so many times, I just bristle at incivility.  I will listen to anyone until they start to demonize and belittle their opponent.  You can make a case about something without insisting your opponent is ignorant/evil.  Because in most cases, they're not.  They just have a different view.

I quite like the idea of the TV News not being biased, if I want biased news I'll buy a Newspaper (and that's not a good thing either - I don't read newspapers very often).