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^ Have you ever listened to Paradox Hotel? It's a different kind of TFK album. A little darker, a nice mix of all different kinds of songs. A lot less symphonic than most of their other albums. Might be the one that turns you on to the band. 

I know you tried Unfold The Future, I would recommend trying that one again too.
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Originally posted by infandous infandous wrote:

Originally posted by M27Barney M27Barney wrote:

Originally posted by infandous infandous wrote:

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I listened to OK computer as I was sent a lot of their stuff as MP3....completeley underwhelmed as I was - I really couldn't see why it was lauded as a masterpeice.......

I have far more deserving music to lend my ear to.......I have taken delivery of one of the two Nexus CD's that I ordered......so I have a real dial-Emma on Friday night - Nexus or "Keyholder"......might listen to em both I suppose....n Back to the original argument - anybody who could prefer OK Computer to anything that Lalo Huber has composed is not a true Symphonic prog appreciator.......The sound when he defacates would be more prog than RH.... Wink


I just have the one Nexus album (the one you just got), as well as their contributions to the Colossus projects.  Not really inspired to try anything else, though I would like to try one of their albums with the woman vocalist, as I find the male vocals decidedly weak.  Which is probably my main reason for not exploring more, as the Hammond playing is generally quite enjoyable.  Which one of those early albums would you recommend?


They are both equally as fantastic - mind you I don't tend to listen to lyrics as such - just treat as another instrument - the singing is in Spanish - it doesn't bother me because like I said - and only overly god preachy lyrics tend to get on my threepenny's......I haven't heard the one CD you've got - Perpetuum thingy-me-bob...but it's winging it's way across the pond as we speak.....whats this colossus projects - looks like I'm going to have to buy those as well... 


Start with this one.  3 CD's, 9 tracks.  Some are great, some not as great, but all are enjoyable  to me.

http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=10592

This is the other one that Nexus is on:

http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=23458

Honestly, I've liked all the Colossus Project albums that I've heard.  They can be pricey, but in general are a good deal as you get a variety of prog bands on one album, most of them are filled with epics.
I have the Odysseus one - but not the other - Ill have to add that to my wish list - thanks.
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Originally posted by darkshade darkshade wrote:

It's funny because Karmakanic's "Who's The Boss...?" is the album that warmed me up to exploring TFK's music furhter. Before that, I only knew Space Revolver and The Sum Of No Evil, both of which I appreciated more as I got to know TFK more.

I was getting TFK and Tangent albums at the same time, and Karmakanic too. With lineups overlapping all those bands, it was hard for me to figure out the better bands. Since the dust has settled these past couple of years, TFK just shines brighter every time. But, it may be time to throw on some Tangent soon.

Austin, good to see you still follow this thread. Nothing wrong with giving TFK another shot, it took me 4 or 5 tries over the course of a few years before I started to really like TFK.

i hear ya.  i go back and forth about being a completist with all the TFK related stuff.  it does kind of meld together a bit.  what i really want to do is just focus on TFK, TA and DT.  and if i get board or need something new, then i can pick up some kaipa etc.  i do like the singer in karmakanic though and damn if i really want to get some AoM too!Confused  it's crazy!  one of my concerns is that stuf will go out of print.  the first kaipa and first tangent are really hard to find as are the first two karmakanic.  oh well, at least there is digital, if it comes to that.  the thing is, there's just only so much time to devote to this music...it's a real labor of love sometimes paying attention and openning up to the vastness of it all.  i love it though.  

okay, time for bed....

oh i for got, i really gotta get 3rd world electric too!!
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When I first got into the Flower Kings, my favorite bands were all 70's bands that hadn't released anything new in many years (or at least, anything I liked).  So when I found TFK, I wanted everything I could get my hands on.  This has resulted in a very large number of albums and bands that I've collected thanks to them.  I have no regrets, and most of it I still pull out and listen to (though some of the more obscure stuff, like New Grove Project for example, were not particularly good to begin with).  Anyway, Tomas Bodin's solo stuff, some Karmakanic, nearly all of the Tangent, and Agents Of Mercy, have all held up over the years for me and still put out good stuff.  TA as well, of course, though they don't do as much for me as some of the others.
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I am going to have a hiatus on CD purchasing for the time being and try and listen to the new stuff I have got in the past month. Tomorrow night I'll be listening to my new Nexus stuff me thinks - a Hammond Organ Fest, I'm not so sure that Nexus is all that popular with the other regular posters on this thread...so I could be on my own on having their complete studio CD output...(Picture me rubbing my hands together and doing the Doctor evil Laugh Wink) I may even get round to listening to Keyholder....but only after 130 minutes of Nexus aural nectar......
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Over the holidays i immersed myself in the first TA album.  really got into the live versions online.  i got the whirlwind for xmas and haven't listened to it all the way through yet.  i really loved Bridge Across Forever, but i cannot get into the whirlwind or maintain any interest in the first album.  not sure why.  Whirlwind is just way too long methinks.  for me, it might be morse.  after a while his stuff gets too catchy and samey.  probably need to stick with morse era SB and come back to TA at a later date.  i really hope they reel it in for the new album.  i think Topographic kind of determined the length an epic can go with out getting out of control :-)

btw, got the inner circle newsletter from morse yesterday.  it always comes with a nice sermon :-)  a new flying colors album is imminent for this year.  fwiw.
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Originally posted by zumacraig zumacraig wrote:

Originally posted by darkshade darkshade wrote:

It's funny because Karmakanic's "Who's The Boss...?" is the album that warmed me up to exploring TFK's music furhter. Before that, I only knew Space Revolver and The Sum Of No Evil, both of which I appreciated more as I got to know TFK more.

I was getting TFK and Tangent albums at the same time, and Karmakanic too. With lineups overlapping all those bands, it was hard for me to figure out the better bands. Since the dust has settled these past couple of years, TFK just shines brighter every time. But, it may be time to throw on some Tangent soon.

Austin, good to see you still follow this thread. Nothing wrong with giving TFK another shot, it took me 4 or 5 tries over the course of a few years before I started to really like TFK.

i hear ya.  i go back and forth about being a completist with all the TFK related stuff.  it does kind of meld together a bit.  what i really want to do is just focus on TFK, TA and DT.  and if i get board or need something new, then i can pick up some kaipa etc.  i do like the singer in karmakanic though and damn if i really want to get some AoM too!Confused  it's crazy!  one of my concerns is that stuf will go out of print.  the first kaipa and first tangent are really hard to find as are the first two karmakanic.  oh well, at least there is digital, if it comes to that.  the thing is, there's just only so much time to devote to this music...it's a real labor of love sometimes paying attention and openning up to the vastness of it all.  i love it though.  

okay, time for bed....

oh i for got, i really gotta get 3rd world electric too!!

i was able to easily get all The Tangent albums, they're all online. Same with any other TFK-related act, but for some reason, the first two Karmakanic albums are out of print, and go for hundreds of dollars on Amazon. These are some of the only albums from the TFK family I don't have a hard copy of, and would love to get one day.

You definitely need 3rd World Electric. I like to throw it on once in a while, it's nice modern fusion, obviously Weather Report/Jaco Pastorius inspired, so not very progressive, but quite enjoyable.
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i was able to easily get all The Tangent albums, they're all online. Same with any other TFK-related act, but for some reason, the first two Karmakanic albums are out of print, and go for hundreds of dollars on Amazon. These are some of the only albums from the TFK family I don't have a hard copy of, and would love to get one day.

You definitely need 3rd World Electric. I like to throw it on once in a while, it's nice modern fusion, obviously Weather Report/Jaco Pastorius inspired, so not very progressive, but quite enjoyable.
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i actually had a hard time finding the first tangent and first 'new' kaipa.  greg has everything usually, except those first two karmakanic, like you said.  i would also like cinematograph by tomas, but that's nowhere to be found. 

yeah, 3rd world is on my list.  love lalle and love weather report!
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Speaking of Lalle, does anyone know how his solo albums are? I remember hearing good things, but that was months ago.

Craig, I believe all the Tangent albums can be bought on Amazon?
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Hey there Darkshade, I've got those last three Lalle solo albums, and they're wonderful! A mix of lounge-jazz piano/fusion with heavy guitar, Jonas' knockout bass playing, long guitar solos, etc. Some brooding atmospheres, some lighter touches, plenty of keybaord wig-outs too!

I haven't listened to his most recent one quite as much yet, but it's noticeably heavier than the previous two.

But all are worth buying, I've replayed them endlessly!
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Originally posted by M27Barney M27Barney wrote:

Originally posted by infandous infandous wrote:

Originally posted by M27Barney M27Barney wrote:

I listened to OK computer as I was sent a lot of their stuff as MP3....completeley underwhelmed as I was - I really couldn't see why it was lauded as a masterpeice.......

I have far more deserving music to lend my ear to.......I have taken delivery of one of the two Nexus CD's that I ordered......so I have a real dial-Emma on Friday night - Nexus or "Keyholder"......might listen to em both I suppose....n Back to the original argument - anybody who could prefer OK Computer to anything that Lalo Huber has composed is not a true Symphonic prog appreciator.......The sound when he defacates would be more prog than RH.... Wink


I just have the one Nexus album (the one you just got), as well as their contributions to the Colossus projects.  Not really inspired to try anything else, though I would like to try one of their albums with the woman vocalist, as I find the male vocals decidedly weak.  Which is probably my main reason for not exploring more, as the Hammond playing is generally quite enjoyable.  Which one of those early albums would you recommend?


They are both equally as fantastic - mind you I don't tend to listen to lyrics as such - just treat as another instrument - the singing is in Spanish - it doesn't bother me because like I said - and only overly god preachy lyrics tend to get on my threepenny's......I haven't heard the one CD you've got - Perpetuum thingy-me-bob...but it's winging it's way across the pond as we speak.....whats this colossus projects - looks like I'm going to have to buy those as well... 


Hey guys,

I'm on vacation so I'm only on briefly.  I learned something today while driving in the car.

It's never too late to stop listening to Radiohead.
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Listening to Lalle's new album "Nightscapes" on Spotify. Wow! Why haven't I checked out his stuff earlier? Anyone know where I can buy a hard copy of his albums without dropping $40-$50???
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Originally posted by darkshade darkshade wrote:

Listening to Lalle's new album "Nightscapes" on Spotify. Wow! Why haven't I checked out his stuff earlier? Anyone know where I can buy a hard copy of his albums without dropping $40-$50???


Darkshade, If Greg Walker at Syn-phonic has them in stock (which he usually would!), he's got them at great prices (that's where I've bought all three of them over time):

SAME $14
INFINITY OF WORLDS (DIGIPACK) $14
NIGHTSCAPES (DIGIPACK) $16

Can't go wrong with any of them!
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Awesome. Can you provide a link?
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Awesome. Can you provide a link?

No worries!

The storefront is:

Syn-Phonic Records

and the listing for Lalle is with all the other Swedish artists here:

http://synphonic.8m.com/country/sweden.htm

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Thank you so much. Lots of stuff there.
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Even Greg walker doesn't have the first 2 Karmakanic albums. I wonder why they're out of print??
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I think I bought the first two Karmakanics off of EBay.  Unfortunately one of them turned out to be a cheap Russian knockoff, but at least the music sounds good on it.
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I have the first two Lalle albums, and they are just okay.  They remind me a bit of Derek Sherinians solo albums, though not quite as heavy.  No songs stay in my head at all, and as soon as they end I can't remember a single melody or riff.  Not a good sign.  However, the performances are flawless, and all players are obviously top notch, so there's that.  I just don't "feel" anything from them at all.

I got the first two Karmakanic when they were released, that's what you guys should have done LOL  It's your own fault for not discovering all this stuff sooner Wink
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Lalle's new one did remind me of Derek Sherinian's stuff at times, but there was some amazing bass work from Jonas which sounded pretty cool.

When Karmakanic's first album came out, it was 2002, I was either a freshman or sophmore in high school, and was still only into the more popular music of the time.
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