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Epignosis 
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Honorary Collaborator Joined: December 30 2007 Location: Raeford, NC Status: Offline Points: 32552 |
 Posted: January 14 2013 at 20:33 |
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My experience as well. |
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JJLehto
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Joined: April 05 2006 Location: Tallahassee, FL Status: Offline Points: 34550 |
Posted: January 16 2013 at 20:16 |
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The IRS may be evil incarnate but remember...they are just people. People doing their job, especially the "lower" people...the ones that deal with us. They are just trying to earn a living like any of us.
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Ambient Hurricanes
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Joined: December 25 2011 Location: internet Status: Offline Points: 2549 |
Posted: January 16 2013 at 20:34 |
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I'm not a libertarian but I think that it could work in a small commune such as this, and I support self-sufficiency. So if Beck wants to found a libertarian commune, more power to him. |
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I love dogs, I've always loved dogs
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manofmystery
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Joined: January 26 2008 Location: PA, USA Status: Offline Points: 4335 |
Posted: January 16 2013 at 20:40 |
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I'm sick of Glenn Beck calling himself a libertarian. Beck's as neocon as they come on foreign policy. |
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 Time always wins. |
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Equality 7-2521
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Joined: August 11 2005 Location: Philly Status: Offline Points: 15784 |
Posted: January 16 2013 at 21:51 |
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I don't really buy the people doing their job thing. |
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"One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. "
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The Doctor
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Honorary Collaborator Joined: June 23 2005 Location: The Tardis Status: Offline Points: 8543 |
Posted: January 16 2013 at 22:30 |
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So they should quit a job that allows them to pay their bills and feed their families and go live under a bridge? Out of principle? And not even their principles necessarily, but yours.  |
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I can understand your anger at me, but what did the horse I rode in on ever do to you?
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Ambient Hurricanes
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Joined: December 25 2011 Location: internet Status: Offline Points: 2549 |
Posted: January 16 2013 at 22:35 |
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Apparently he calls himself a "libertarian" with a small "l," not a "Libertarian" with a capital "L." |
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I love dogs, I've always loved dogs
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Ambient Hurricanes
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Posted: January 16 2013 at 22:36 |
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Why not? |
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The T
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Honorary Collaborator Joined: October 16 2006 Location: FL, USA Status: Offline Points: 17493 |
Posted: January 16 2013 at 22:46 |
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Those who make the policies that allow the IRS to do what it does should be blamed, not the people working their jobs.
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dtguitarfan
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Joined: June 24 2011 Location: Chattanooga, TN Status: Offline Points: 1708 |
Posted: January 17 2013 at 06:19 |
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Beck is a deranged, paranoid scizophrenic. And this commune idea isn't the first thing he's done that has given some people the idea that he might be a cult leader, either. |
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Equality 7-2521
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Posted: January 17 2013 at 08:37 |
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Well it doesn't make much sense to hold people to their own principles. Many thieves have no moral objection to thieving, so I cannot expect them to stop for that reason? They could get another job. That's really not material. I find it to be immoral. |
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"One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. "
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Equality 7-2521
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Posted: January 17 2013 at 08:40 |
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I don't see how you receiving a paycheck for your actions relieves you of moral culpability. I'm awaiting an argument from you in favor of this proposition since you're the one proposing an additional ethical principle. |
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"One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. "
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Dean
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Retired Admin and Amateur Layabout Joined: May 13 2007 Location: Europe Status: Offline Points: 37575 |
Posted: January 17 2013 at 08:48 |
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Surely by that argument it is immoral of you to pay your taxes, or do you see it as merely a bribe you pay to keep you out of prison?
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What?
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Equality 7-2521
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Posted: January 17 2013 at 09:51 |
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The threat of imprisonment makes consent a bit murkier. |
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"One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. "
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The T
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Honorary Collaborator Joined: October 16 2006 Location: FL, USA Status: Offline Points: 17493 |
Posted: January 17 2013 at 11:34 |
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I can't agree with this one. Sure some in the IRS (as in all government institutions) will be crooks, sure the institution itself deserves scorn, sure many taxes are evil, but the person working in the window or in the booth in the IRS is just as innocent or morally defensible as the person working for a bank or other private institutions. Bankers are seldom examples of moral integrity, personal bankers try will all their might to make a poor couple get a loan they don't need that will ruin them forever. Yet the answer we could give (I'm just using bankers as an example, you haven't mentioned them) is that they are doing their job and sustaining themselves or their families. Aren't the people working for the IRS doing the same?
They are people doing their job.
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Dean
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Retired Admin and Amateur Layabout Joined: May 13 2007 Location: Europe Status: Offline Points: 37575 |
Posted: January 17 2013 at 12:17 |
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We all could produce a list of dubious occupations that are indefensible to someone, of course I would put rogues and charlatans at the top of my list: anyone who sells a worthless thing for more money than it is worth - lawyers, philosophers (of course), political lobbyists, anyone who calls themselves a "pundit", most academics, real estate agents, stock brokers, bankers, everyone in insurance, traffic wardens, people who work in advertising, historians, anyone who is a jobs-worth, anyone who feels themselves superior because of what they do, the smug-monkeys they employ in Apple Store, and most professions that don't actually produce anything. But that would account for most of the adult population of the western world, so it's best we don't. |
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The T
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Posted: January 17 2013 at 12:20 |
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^Prog musicians
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Dean
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Posted: January 17 2013 at 12:31 |
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So few of them make money we'll let them off with a warning.
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akamaisondufromage
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VIP Member Joined: May 16 2009 Location: Blighty Status: Offline Points: 6797 |
Posted: January 17 2013 at 12:44 |
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So the people who do the admin are immoral, and those that do the cleaning - they're immoral, and those that collect the recycling and those that provide IT support or ...... they should all resign their jobs? Oh and those that provide services to those that provide services etc..
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Help me I'm falling!
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dtguitarfan
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Joined: June 24 2011 Location: Chattanooga, TN Status: Offline Points: 1708 |
Posted: January 17 2013 at 12:49 |
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I know! They're so high and mighty with their pretentious musical noodling! |
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