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Dayvenkirq 
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 Posted: January 10 2013 at 11:57 |
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ProgMetaller2112
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Posted: January 10 2013 at 16:12 |
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“War is peace.
Freedom is slavery.
Ignorance is strength.”
― George Orwell, Nineteen Eighty-Four
"Ignorance and Prejudice and Fear walk Hand in Hand"- Neil Peart
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ProgMetaller2112
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Posted: January 10 2013 at 16:16 |
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“War is peace.
Freedom is slavery.
Ignorance is strength.”
― George Orwell, Nineteen Eighty-Four
"Ignorance and Prejudice and Fear walk Hand in Hand"- Neil Peart
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ProgMetaller2112
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Posted: January 10 2013 at 18:16 |
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Diamond Dog, there is no way to get to Dayvenkirq, he's a Crimson loyalist and a supreme fanboy who doesn't allow others to have an opinion on his favorite band
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“War is peace.
Freedom is slavery.
Ignorance is strength.”
― George Orwell, Nineteen Eighty-Four
"Ignorance and Prejudice and Fear walk Hand in Hand"- Neil Peart
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Posted: January 10 2013 at 18:25 |
 DiamondDog wrote:
Nothing so-called Crimson that followed was the real thing at all. Interesting, quirky, idiosyncratic - no doubt, but way off track from where it could and should have been headed. |
Glad they didn't do that then, seeing i rank Court second last in their classic period - only behind Poseidon.
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Crushed like a rose in the riverflow.
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rogerthat
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Posted: January 10 2013 at 18:41 |
DiamondDog wrote:
That's only one part of YOUR Tosh, and still not very relevant; if it hadn't been for ITCOTCK, there wouldn't even be a genre to discuss. I like Fripp, I like Cobain, but these are sideshows compared to the influence of that first album. Red is NOT influential in the same way at all. That's like saying ELO is more relevant than the Beatles. Offshoots, that's all. Wake up to the bigger picture. |
Ah, so you come down now to "still not very relevant" from claiming a statement that "ITCOTCK is their only relevant statement to be true". So this is the point we both were trying to drill into your head. Be a little less obsessed with your personal dogma next time and attempt to READ before jumping to pronounce the ultimate truth.
And coming back to Red, it influenced a much wider sphere of music than ITCOTCK which only influenced symph prog. So with that said, the claim that there wouldn't have been prog without ITCOTCK is in itself a dubious one seeing as at least two bold Barrett-Floyd albums predate it. There just wouldn't have been one kind of prog and in the same way, the Wetton-era brought a whole set of tones that many heavy rock bands picked up and a bold approach of marrying composition and improvisation that was quite unprecedented in prog rock of that time. I think you do not appreciate that the bigger picture is much bigger than just one kind of prog so the Beatles-ELO parallel doesn't work here. It is also true that, yes, Beatles did not invent rock, they just popularised it and were only one of the bands to do so.
Edited by rogerthat - January 10 2013 at 18:48
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Dayvenkirq
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Posted: January 10 2013 at 18:49 |
ProgMetaller2112 wrote:
Diamond Dog, there is no way to get to Dayvenkirq, he's a Crimson loyalist and a supreme fanboy who doesn't allow others to have an opinion on his favorite band |
1) Apparently you don't know the difference between argumentation and prohibition.
2) Since it happens that you get "brain farts" or whatever, then maybe you shouldn't converse with anyone on the forum at all.
3) Trying to rub me into the dirt is never a... ah, look who the f$&k I'm talking to.
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ProgMetaller2112
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Posted: January 10 2013 at 19:26 |
Dayvenkirq wrote:
ProgMetaller2112 wrote:
Diamond Dog, there is no way to get to Dayvenkirq, he's a Crimson loyalist and a supreme fanboy who doesn't allow others to have an opinion on his favorite band |
1) Apparently you don't know the difference between argumentation and prohibition.
2) Since it happens that you get "brain farts" or whatever, then maybe you shouldn't converse with anyone on the forum at all.
3) Trying to rub me into the dirt is never a... ah, look who the f$&k I'm talking to. |
make sense, man there is nothing here that I said that deserves prohibition, I do have brain farts but their on bad days(they don't happen often maybe once every a few weeks)
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“War is peace.
Freedom is slavery.
Ignorance is strength.”
― George Orwell, Nineteen Eighty-Four
"Ignorance and Prejudice and Fear walk Hand in Hand"- Neil Peart
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Dayvenkirq
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Posted: January 10 2013 at 19:34 |
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1) Again, you don't seem to know the difference between argumentation and prohibition.
2) I think you are having a brain fart right now since I'm "not making sense".
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rogerthat
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Posted: January 10 2013 at 19:36 |
ProgMetaller2112 wrote:
Dayvenkirq wrote:
ProgMetaller2112 wrote:
Diamond Dog, there is no way to get to Dayvenkirq, he's a Crimson loyalist and a supreme fanboy who doesn't allow others to have an opinion on his favorite band |
1) Apparently you don't know the difference between argumentation and prohibition.
2) Since it happens that you get "brain farts" or whatever, then maybe you shouldn't converse with anyone on the forum at all.
3) Trying to rub me into the dirt is never a... ah, look who the f$&k I'm talking to. |
make sense, man there is nothing here that I said that deserves prohibition, I do have brain farts but their on bad days(they don't happen often maybe once every a few weeks)
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Er, he meant that if he disagrees with a negative viewpoint of KC it doesn't necessarily imply that he doesn't want to allow anybody to have a poor opinion of them. You have repeatedly accused him of suppressing opinions of others. Kid, this is not a metal forum and there are no bullies here so don't bash a strawman. Lay off that confrontational attitude first, attempt to be less dogmatic and more open minded in conversation.
Edited by rogerthat - January 10 2013 at 19:37
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Dayvenkirq
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Posted: January 10 2013 at 19:42 |
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^ For the past several hours I thought it wasn't about KC at all, but this guy just kept bringing it up. What does he want us to do, give up on the band? I thought we were zeroing in on his attitude problem lately, but I was downright wrong. I was just feeling myself in a kind of a Frippian mode, if you will. What if I feel like playing some piano big time and use the avatar of John Tout? What's gonna be next? He is going to mock Renaissance? I'm feeling really persecuted right now.
Edited by Dayvenkirq - January 10 2013 at 19:45
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rogerthat
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Posted: January 10 2013 at 19:44 |
Dayvenkirq wrote:
^What does he want us to do, give up on the band? |
Yes because ProgMetaller said it is not good music. 
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ProgMetaller2112
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Posted: January 10 2013 at 19:48 |
rogerthat wrote:
ProgMetaller2112 wrote:
Dayvenkirq wrote:
ProgMetaller2112 wrote:
Diamond Dog, there is no way to get to Dayvenkirq, he's a Crimson loyalist and a supreme fanboy who doesn't allow others to have an opinion on his favorite band |
1) Apparently you don't know the difference between argumentation and prohibition.
2) Since it happens that you get "brain farts" or whatever, then maybe you shouldn't converse with anyone on the forum at all.
3) Trying to rub me into the dirt is never a... ah, look who the f$&k I'm talking to. |
make sense, man there is nothing here that I said that deserves prohibition, I do have brain farts but their on bad days(they don't happen often maybe once every a few weeks)
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Er, he meant that if he disagrees with a negative viewpoint of KC it doesn't necessarily imply that he doesn't want to allow anybody to have a poor opinion of them. You have repeatedly accused him of suppressing opinions of others. Kid, this is not a metal forum and there are no bullies here so don't bash a strawman. Lay off that confrontational attitude first, attempt to be less dogmatic and more open minded in conversation.
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He is doing exactly that , Diamond Dog is bringing about what he thinks about Dayvenkirq's favorite band and he is simply disagreeing and not trying to see other people's perspectives
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“War is peace.
Freedom is slavery.
Ignorance is strength.”
― George Orwell, Nineteen Eighty-Four
"Ignorance and Prejudice and Fear walk Hand in Hand"- Neil Peart
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Dayvenkirq
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Posted: January 10 2013 at 19:51 |
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^ I'm not trying? No s$&t. Where do you think I get my questions, out of my a&@?
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rogerthat
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Posted: January 10 2013 at 19:52 |
ProgMetaller2112 wrote:
rogerthat wrote:
ProgMetaller2112 wrote:
Dayvenkirq wrote:
ProgMetaller2112 wrote:
Diamond Dog, there is no way to get to Dayvenkirq, he's a Crimson loyalist and a supreme fanboy who doesn't allow others to have an opinion on his favorite band |
1) Apparently you don't know the difference between argumentation and prohibition.
2) Since it happens that you get "brain farts" or whatever, then maybe you shouldn't converse with anyone on the forum at all.
3) Trying to rub me into the dirt is never a... ah, look who the f$&k I'm talking to. |
make sense, man there is nothing here that I said that deserves prohibition, I do have brain farts but their on bad days(they don't happen often maybe once every a few weeks)
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Er, he meant that if he disagrees with a negative viewpoint of KC it doesn't necessarily imply that he doesn't want to allow anybody to have a poor opinion of them. You have repeatedly accused him of suppressing opinions of others. Kid, this is not a metal forum and there are no bullies here so don't bash a strawman. Lay off that confrontational attitude first, attempt to be less dogmatic and more open minded in conversation.
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He is doing exactly that , Diamond Dog is bringing about what he thinks about Dayvenkirq's favorite band and he is simply disagreeing and not trying to see other people's perspectives
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Er, if you start a comment claiming to post the truth, you don't really have much respect for other's opinions in the first place. You are looking to the whole thing through your "this website is a KC fanboy base" filters. If so, I'd recommend you don't participate at all in discussions until you can get rid of that attitude. You are not going cure anyone of KC fanboy-ism if that is your mission, because there's nothing to cure.
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ProgMetaller2112
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Posted: January 10 2013 at 19:53 |
rogerthat wrote:
Dayvenkirq wrote:
^What does he want us to do, give up on the band? |
Yes because ProgMetaller said it is not good music. |
did I say that??? No all I said was think twice about what your listening to
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“War is peace.
Freedom is slavery.
Ignorance is strength.”
― George Orwell, Nineteen Eighty-Four
"Ignorance and Prejudice and Fear walk Hand in Hand"- Neil Peart
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rogerthat
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Posted: January 10 2013 at 19:54 |
ProgMetaller2112 wrote:
rogerthat wrote:
Dayvenkirq wrote:
^What does he want us to do, give up on the band? |
Yes because ProgMetaller said it is not good music. |
did I say that??? No all I said was think twice about what your listening to
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And what exactly entitles you to say that? Who the bloody hell are you to do so? You have no right to interfere or pronounce judgment on anybody's taste. I don't think this is the first time I have told you that.
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ProgMetaller2112
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Posted: January 10 2013 at 19:56 |
rogerthat wrote:
ProgMetaller2112 wrote:
rogerthat wrote:
Dayvenkirq wrote:
^What does he want us to do, give up on the band? |
Yes because ProgMetaller said it is not good music. |
did I say that??? No all I said was think twice about what your listening to
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And what exactly entitles you to say that? Who the bloody hell are you to do so? You have no right to interfere or pronounce judgment on anybody's taste. I don't think this is the first time I have told you that. |
It's not for my own sake it's for your own sake
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“War is peace.
Freedom is slavery.
Ignorance is strength.”
― George Orwell, Nineteen Eighty-Four
"Ignorance and Prejudice and Fear walk Hand in Hand"- Neil Peart
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Dayvenkirq
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Posted: January 10 2013 at 19:58 |
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OK, break time! If you wish to, you may reconvene in 24 hrs.
Edited by Dayvenkirq - January 10 2013 at 19:58
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rogerthat
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Posted: January 10 2013 at 19:59 |
ProgMetaller2112 wrote:
rogerthat wrote:
ProgMetaller2112 wrote:
rogerthat wrote:
Dayvenkirq wrote:
^What does he want us to do, give up on the band? |
Yes because ProgMetaller said it is not good music. |
did I say that??? No all I said was think twice about what your listening to
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And what exactly entitles you to say that? Who the bloody hell are you to do so? You have no right to interfere or pronounce judgment on anybody's taste. I don't think this is the first time I have told you that. |
It's not for my own sake it's for your own sake
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You shall not presume what is good for my own sake and what is not. You can recommend music to others but cannot tell them to think whether what they are listening to is good. For the last time, this is not a metal forum. This kind of "mate, I'll tell you what's good music" way of speaking will come off as very rude here because people on this forum are individuals and their individuality is respected. It is not a kinship or community like Metalheads Inc. With that, I have to go.
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