3rd Album by 3 Prog Giants

Nogbad_The_Bad wrote: I don't want him muzzled, I just find him irritating and annoying, I just thought I'd let him know, he has the right to express his opinion, so do we.

 
Yeah....I also said he is tiresome and close minded so I have no problem with that.    But if we are going to call for warnings just because somebody is irritating, then that is not a very, ahem, progressive attitude to have.

Sumdeus wrote: this isn't just about KC though, this is about the way he presents himself. I could care less if someone doesn't dig KC, but what I do care about is if someone acts like they are inherently superior because they don't dig KC, or that the people who dig KC do so because they don't "have the balls", rather than because they just have a different opinion.

It was not an unprovoked comment.  I will repeat that n number of times if I have to.   I haven't said it is acceptable for him to say that people don't have the balls to say they don't like KC (speaking of which you misquoted him above...he only said to the effect that such opinions would hurt fans of KC like Davenkirq) because it's too generalized.  But it was not his first comment on the thread and I cannot assume that he would have said so without getting provoked into a needless confrontation. 

There are people who write that DT are pretentious or showboats and such so why do we tell Geoff that he is overreacting and then condemn progmetaller by calling him arrogant and condescending for saying something similar (as in harsh) about a KC album?  

Do you or you don't accept that progmetaller had made no further comment on the thread at the point where Davenkirq said that?  If you do, then please explain how such a reaction is justifiable to you. 

Sumdeus wrote: lol you seem to be missing something... the issue isn't that we don't agree with his opinions. I find it silly that you would even imply I want him to get a warning because he disagrees with me. It is the way in which he presents his opinions which irks me. There is a very condescending attitude and he seems to constantly be implying that subjective opinions are objectively better. I feel like maybe you've missed a good amount of his posts if you think this is just about us not agreeing with him... I'll use this example again ProgMetaller2112 wrote: thank you for agreeing not many people have the balls to admit this, others will obviously get hurt by it Davyenkirq(cough!!) How is this not trolling? He is implying that of course one is superior to the other and people are only saying they prefer Lizard because they don't "have the balls to admit this", as if it is not a matter of what one prefers but a matter of everyone being scared to admit that progmetaller's opinion is superior to others'

He is implying that this is a KC fanboy base where people are afraid of expressing unfavourable opinions about the band.  I have to say you are doing a swell job of convincing the board that that is indeed the case.   You cannot use his subsequent comments to defend your position here.  My point is nothing in the OP warranted him being called arrogant or condescending.  He called one of the songs on Lizard lame and the other nothing great and some such.   That is not very polished but it is certainly not condescending.   Once you react strongly to an opinion like that, you prompt him to say some stuff in return, as simple as that. 

lol you seem to be missing something... the issue isn't that we don't agree with his opinions. I find it silly that you would even imply I want him to get a warning because he disagrees with me. It is the way in which he presents his opinions which irks me. There is a very condescending attitude and he seems to constantly be implying that subjective opinions are objectively better.

I feel like maybe you've missed a good amount of his posts if you think this is just about us not agreeing with him...

I'll use this example again

ProgMetaller2112 wrote: thank you for agreeing not many people have the balls to admit this, others will obviously get hurt by it Davyenkirq(cough!!)

How is this not trolling? He is implying that of course one is superior to the other and people are only saying they prefer Lizard because they don't "have the balls to admit this", as if it is not a matter of what one prefers but a matter of everyone being scared to admit that progmetaller's opinion is superior to others'


Edited by Sumdeus - December 30 2012 at 19:37

Sumdeus wrote: what confuses me is why you think we should just let him do it until he gets tired of it. this is a forum and a community, if he bugs enough people is it not better to try to tell him to stop or do something rather than just be like "whatever just don't go into his threads"? you don't solve problems by waiting and hoping they'll stop on their own

Because in the interest of fairness and objectivity, there simply isn't anything particularly wrong with what he is doing.   At the most he is expressing opinions that some people don't like.  Evidently, Hercules is not one of them, to name just one example.   I don't see how what progmetaller does even remotely warrants a muzzle.   Might as well leave it entirely to the mods to make new topics and not give the right to other members in that case.   Once again, if his opinions really irk you so much, then please steer clear of them.  It is not a crime to have an unpleasant opinion because what is pleasant or not is only determined by the group demographic in this case.

^ Unfortunately, I don't see any other reasonable solutions at this time. Asking him to stop won't do any good.

That's only because he is new here.   He's not going to keep up this rate of creating new topics for very long.  Eventually, whether or not he admits it, he's going to get the message that nobody is interested in having his opinions on KC imposed on them.  

Sumdeus wrote: ProgMetaller2112 wrote: thank you for agreeing not many people have the balls to admit this, others will obviously get hurt by it Davyenkirq(cough!!) this doesn't come of as arrogant or rude to you?

And it wasn't prompted at all by Davenkirq suggesting he is arrogant and rude earlier in the thread?   He didn't escalate it, he just did what he does.   There is no need to pick a confrontation and then call him all sorts of things.  If you don't like his views on KC, steer clear of his topics and he will eventually get bored of making these polls if there is not enough participation.


Edited by rogerthat - December 30 2012 at 18:47

He is a troll, and you guys are giving him quite the buffet.

rogerthat wrote: Is there something that Progmetaller edited because I don't find anything particularly offensive about KC on this thread.   I guess it's ok to say a song is "nothing great" or even "lame" if he really thinks so.  If you don't like his opinions and polls, avoid them.   It's not necessary to insinuate that he is being arrogant or blah blah, even if he really is.

The things he said about King Crimson in this thread aren't offensive (although his comments in several other threads are). It's his comment regarding Dayvenkirq I took objection to.


Edited by HarbouringTheSoul - December 30 2012 at 15:37