Is Robert Fripp Overrated?

^  E-eh?* Care to elaborate on that?

Edited by Dayvenkirq - December 26 2012 at 19:47

ProgEpics wrote: Terry Kath (chicago's guitar player) was a much better IMO and more under-rated than just about anybody.

Define "better".

Terry Kath (chicago's guitar player) was a much better IMO and more under-rated than just about anybody.

Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:  ... The difference is that Fripp was never my hero, I don't like his music except ITCOTCK and Starless. I only base my opinions in own experience and testimonies of persons who treated him. Iván

Edited by moshkito - December 26 2012 at 14:46

moshkito wrote: Hi,   I'm worried about people considering him/her/anyone a jerk or this or that ... because the one chance they had to meet their "hero", went away ... and those people's opinions of the person and the work are affected by the attitude.

rogerthat wrote: ProgMetaller2112 wrote: its quite complex actually what im talking about because the crims has hardly ever been like that ,following the verse-chorus-verse pattern, there's just so much going on, but for that particular song yes and my ears and brain just wont allow too much repetition and in the case of Lizard I like the Jon Anderson "Prince Rupert Awakes" part very much ITS PERFECTLY EXECUTED but "The Battle of Glass Tears" doesn't do anything for me its saxes on top of saxes and more saxes and it all sounds too repetitve and in the case of "The Talking Drum" it just deosn't do anything for me it has violins on top of annoying and repetitive passages and for Red the guitar repeats itself over and over I wonder how is it your brain allows the repetition in Heart of the Sunrise, Close to the Edge, Firth of the fifth, La Villa Strangiato, Jacob's Ladder to name but a few tracks?   Please, reinforcement is a widely used device and is great to build momentum/tension.    I'll make it simple for you:  the thing with KC is not much of their music is accessible nor is its direction immediately evident.   It tends to be twisted and weird, especially in comparison to Yes/Genesis/Rush.  I have been a fan of those three bands for longer than KC so I do know what I am talking about there.   Now, you are going to have a hard time convincing a lot of people on this board that it's a bad thing for music to be twisted and weird.  Perhaps if you were not in a hurry to form opinions about the music you listen to (and opinions about people who like music that you don't like), you'd find it easier to appreciate not only KC but lot many other bands.

Those songs(most of them) are well crafted in my opinion, Heart of the Sunrise keeps you on your listening ears it's not as repetitive as you might think, though those guitar lines from Steve occur quite often it's never really as repetitive, Close to the Edge is not repetitive I feel, it's executed nicely and the changes in the guitar,bass, drums in the second verse is a mind-blower, Firth of Fifth does have it's moments of repetition though I tend to love Steve's solo on that one, La Villa Strangiato though somewhat repetitive goes through a few other passages that makes it good IMO,I love Alex's solo during his little spotlight it's just so intense, and Jacob's Ladder though decent has never really been a favorite of mine from Rush it is quite repetitive

Svetonio wrote: Oh, I didn't know that in 70s he was a candidate for a saint

Svetonio wrote: Ivan_Melgar_M wrote: ProgMetaller2112 wrote:   Fripp ain't God, he just is a nice human being who doesn't like pictures and gets praised by people who think they know all about music, nobody knows everything about music, sorry to tell you that Are you talking about Robert Fripp? Please, he's anything except  a a nice human, the guy is a jerk, arrogant, offensive and agressive with the fans who pay his way of life. He's good that's undeniable, I don't believe he's as good as he considers himself, but it's only my opinion..  Iván Ivan, I remmember when you said that you are a big The Who fan.   Mr Pete Townshend was / is nothing better with The Who fans.   The fact that the both revolutionary English guitarists and composers were (especialy Mr Townshend) jerk , arrogant and agressive with the fans, (what is a collateral damage of their implacability, imo)  - is just a sad detail of their lifes, but it have just nothing in common with the great music they made because you can't hear in their amazing music nothing of their traditionaly bad relations with the (hardcore) fan base.

Edited by Ivan_Melgar_M - December 24 2012 at 12:21

In my opinion Robert is underrated.

ProgMetaller2112 wrote: Dayvenkirq wrote: ^ Are you saying that they were "too repetitive", that they followed the verse-chorus-verse-chorus form? What's your angle? its quite complex actually what im talking about because the crims has hardly ever been like that ,following the verse-chorus-verse pattern, there's just so much going on, but for that particular song yes and my ears and brain just wont allow too much repetition and in the case of Lizard I like the Jon Anderson "Prince Rupert Awakes" part very much ITS PERFECTLY EXECUTED but "The Battle of Glass Tears" doesn't do anything for me its saxes on top of saxes and more saxes and it all sounds too repetitve and in the case of "The Talking Drum" it just deosn't do anything for me it has violins on top of annoying and repetitive passages and for Red the guitar repeats itself over and over

Then I think you will never dig this band no matter how hard you try. It can be inferred from your reflections on their music that they have an audience that can withstand repetition and not all of them are going to be fans of Yes or Genesis.

Edited by Dayvenkirq - December 24 2012 at 01:57