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Originally posted by Roj M30 Roj M30 wrote:

 
Yes definitely avoid the first 2 Talk Talk albums like the plague.
No no no no no........and furthermore - no!! Big smile

There are some great tunes on the first album although the production is massively 80s. However, the second album is excellent - there isn't a naff song on it. Highly recommended in my book Wink


Quote However The Colour of Spring, Spirit of Eden and Laughing Stock are superb.  I think it's safe to say the latter two are regarded as the starting point from where post rock emerged.  I've not heard any other post rock albums that are remotely near as good as those two.
Agreed.

Checkout this performance:



When they played that at Hammersmith Odeon it was just awesome!!




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What I really admire about Talk Talk is that after the success of The Colour of Spring and the Natural History best of selection, they could easily have produced another album in the vein of CoS and gone on to be a massive arena band - I am convinced of that. However, they totally shunned that potential fame and fortune and 
put all their efforts into producing a non-commercial, yet ground-breaking album in Spirit of Eden and then the even less commercial Laughing Stock. 

They totally followed their own muse rather than the filthy lucre. Highly admirable.


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Sorry Nov - The singer comes across as a wanna-be Bryan Ferry.....and this song sounds like a Roxy Music tribute band.....Difference is Manzanera was a much-much better string-smith than that geezer in the VID....
And what with the freakin tom-toms........
It's sort of new-romantic bass line gives away their origins - distinctly average though better than the poppy gorganzola of the eighties.....
Anyway listened to the first Transatlantic CD last night - didn't realise that track 4 was so good - mega - awesome actually.
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Originally posted by M27Barney M27Barney wrote:

Sorry Nov - The singer comes across as a wanna-be Bryan Ferry.....and this song sounds like a Roxy Music tribute band.....Difference is Manzanera was a much-much better string-smith than that geezer in the VID....
And what with the freakin tom-toms........
It's sort of new-romantic bass line gives away their origins - distinctly average though better than the poppy gorganzola of the eighties.....
Anyway listened to the first Transatlantic CD last night - didn't realise that track 4 was so good - mega - awesome actually.

I absolutely disagree Barney.

Saying that Talk Talk is like a Roxy Music tribute band is kind of like saying a car is a tribute to a horse.  Yeah, I get it, the horse came first and they are both means of transportation, but with the exception of a few farmers and teenage girls most people will elect for the car.

You can't give them grief about the toms but give Roxy a pass for their sound.  Both artists sound somewhat dated today, they were influenced by the trends of their time.

Besides, "Life's What You Make It" was featured in Grand Theft Auto - Vice City . . . When has Roxy Music ever been in a video game?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Roj Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 21 2012 at 08:02
I don't see the Mark Hollis - Bryan Ferry connection to be honest.......

What I will say is that Desire and Inheritance certainly don't sound anything like Roxy Music.

Roxy Music were ok though.  I like Ferry as a singer and they made some great singles.  They also provided the opportunity for one Eddie Jobson to showcase his ample talents.
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Yeah, not hearing the Bryan Ferry connection either (though I think he was obviously influenced by Ferry's style).  This song is much better than any 80's pop crap I recall.  Not as good, to my ears, as anything on Spirit of Eden, but still not bad at all.  I'm going to have to pick up Laughing Stock and possibly Colour of Spring now.
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Roland always seems to get horses into his posts Wink When I watched that Vid I was instantly reminded of Roxy Music - that possibly says as much about how my brain is wired up as any possibly likeness to anybody else's perception. Philosophically it is impossble to prove that when I see red it's the same red that anybody else sees - thus when i say I think that they are like Roxy Music it's because when i hear music I hear something entirely unique to my brain, this is why I think that the track was very reminiscent of late seventies RM.
Mind you I'm going off long remembered RM because I possibly not heard any RM for twenty years...thus my perception is maybe clouded with other memories.......
Stephen Hawking has just about wrapped it up for god - i/e - no god could exist before the big bang because time didn't exist..... - and I've just wrapped it up for Talk Talk...cheesy eighties New Romantics - I'm not wasting any spondoolics when there is so much more worthy music to spend it on.....
Oh and I can have a bath now - the world didn't end...now there is a suprise.....Thumbs Up
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Originally posted by M27Barney M27Barney wrote:

Roland always seems to get horses into his posts Wink 
Oh and I can have a bath now - the world didn't end...now there is a suprise.....Thumbs Up

So wait, if I understand what you're saying, you're taking a bath with horses?

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Originally posted by M27Barney M27Barney wrote:

Roland always seems to get horses into his posts Wink When I watched that Vid I was instantly reminded of Roxy Music - that possibly says as much about how my brain is wired up as any possibly likeness to anybody else's perception. Philosophically it is impossble to prove that when I see red it's the same red that anybody else sees - thus when i say I think that they are like Roxy Music it's because when i hear music I hear something entirely unique to my brain, this is why I think that the track was very reminiscent of late seventies RM.
Mind you I'm going off long remembered RM because I possibly not heard any RM for twenty years...thus my perception is maybe clouded with other memories.......
Stephen Hawking has just about wrapped it up for god - i/e - no god could exist before the big bang because time didn't exist..... - and I've just wrapped it up for Talk Talk...cheesy eighties New Romantics - I'm not wasting any spondoolics when there is so much more worthy music to spend it on.....
Oh and I can have a bath now - the world didn't end...now there is a suprise.....Thumbs Up


Well, to be fair, I've only heard maybe half a dozen Roxy Music tracks and that was probably several years ago at least, so you might be right Wink

However, that video that was posted is in no way similar to anything on the last two Talk Talk albums (well, maybe the quiet intro).  I really don't hear the "cheesy eighties New Romantics" though, but as you say, we all have our own perceptions so you are certainly entitled to yours.  Just don't include those last two Talk Talk albums as they are as far as you can get from "cheesy eighties New Romantics" (IMO, of course).

However, it is rather clear that you probably shouldn't bother with any Talk Talk LOL


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Originally posted by M27Barney M27Barney wrote:

Roland always seems to get horses into his posts Wink When I watched that Vid I was instantly reminded of Roxy Music - that possibly says as much about how my brain is wired up as any possibly likeness to anybody else's perception. Philosophically it is impossble to prove that when I see red it's the same red that anybody else sees - thus when i say I think that they are like Roxy Music it's because when i hear music I hear something entirely unique to my brain, this is why I think that the track was very reminiscent of late seventies RM.
Mind you I'm going off long remembered RM because I possibly not heard any RM for twenty years...thus my perception is maybe clouded with other memories.......
Stephen Hawking has just about wrapped it up for god - i/e - no god could exist before the big bang because time didn't exist..... - and I've just wrapped it up for Talk Talk...cheesy eighties New Romantics - I'm not wasting any spondoolics when there is so much more worthy music to spend it on.....
Oh and I can have a bath now - the world didn't end...now there is a suprise.....Thumbs Up


Well, to be fair, I've only heard maybe half a dozen Roxy Music tracks and that was probably several years ago at least, so you might be right Wink

However, that video that was posted is in no way similar to anything on the last two Talk Talk albums (well, maybe the quiet intro).  I really don't hear the "cheesy eighties New Romantics" though, but as you say, we all have our own perceptions so you are certainly entitled to yours.  Just don't include those last two Talk Talk albums as they are as far as you can get from "cheesy eighties New Romantics" (IMO, of course).

However, it is rather clear that you probably shouldn't bother with any Talk Talk LOL
Thats the spirit !!! - I am somewhat taken amiss by some peoples - dislike for say , the two non Nichols IQ albums, but surely Nom Zamo & Are you sitting comfortably are far and away superior to the two talk talk albums..Is this not true ? And iot looks like the Mayans are now backsliding on their "End of the World" buffoonery - saying that it was never end of the world just an end of one cycle.....Aye, why wern't you saying that yesterday you stupid bunch of primitive morons ! - Aye hindsight is always 20-20 vision as they say.....
This Talk Talk business disturbs me - I have this image of Roj & Roland dancing round their handbags in a "Saturday Night Fever" style discotheque - one minute Talk Talk...next your digging the Dancing Queen, young and sweet only seventeen............Cool


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Different eras my friend.  Dancing Queen was 70's.  Talk Talk should bring visions of double breasted linen suits, excessively permed hair and spandex.

cause you know . . . Life's what you make it . . . 
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Originally posted by M27Barney M27Barney wrote:

and I've just wrapped it up for Talk Talk...cheesy eighties New Romantics - I'm not wasting any spondoolics when there is so much more worthy music to spend it on.....

I'll let you have that comment for their first album and maybe a little bit on their second album (you must know the big hit single "It's My Life") but after that I'd say that Yes and Genesis were far, far more "cheesy eighties" than Talk Talk.

From the 3rd album (The Colour of Spring) onwards, as I have already explained, they became the most genuinely (and critically acclaimed) progressive band of the 80s - and hugely influential.

I do know that you would really, really, dislike their 4th and 5th albums and probably consider them pretentious nonsense, but those albums are literally as far as you can get from "cheesy eighties New Romantics". It's like describing (without knowing anything) Miles Davis as a cheesy fifties pop star.

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finally got some tiime to check in.  hope everyone's doing well and chillin' out for the holidays.  i need to catch up and reply to the actual thread when i have more time.
 
anyway, out of town for xmas and i brought SMPT:e to listen to.  man, i just can't get into it.  this is the second time i've tried.  i love the second album, but this one does not do it for me.  neal sounds more annoying than usual and the long ones just meander.  not to mention the lyrics.  how many words can you rhyme with 'ay'.  oh, and mike's singing...make it stop.  anyway, i probably need to lighten up.  i just really want to like this album as it's gotten some really positive reviews.
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Originally posted by zumacraig zumacraig wrote:

finally got some tiime to check in.  hope everyone's doing well and chillin' out for the holidays.  i need to catch up and reply to the actual thread when i have more time.
 
anyway, out of town for xmas and i brought SMPT:e to listen to.  man, i just can't get into it.  this is the second time i've tried.  i love the second album, but this one does not do it for me.  neal sounds more annoying than usual and the long ones just meander.  not to mention the lyrics.  how many words can you rhyme with 'ay'.  oh, and mike's singing...make it stop.  anyway, i probably need to lighten up.  i just really want to like this album as it's gotten some really positive reviews.
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Craig, I feel the same way about "The Whirlwind" I really want to like it, but every time, it leaves me thinking 'meh'. 
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Oh man, the whirlwind is exhausting.  I think I just need a break from morse.  It's just much easier to pay attention to tfk for me.  I do love bridge across forever though.  Probably one of my all time favorite albums.  Go figure.  
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I'm with you man, I enjoy "All of the Above" and love "Duel with the Devil" beyond that they're mostly one of those bands that I should like but I don't.  Yes was like that for e.  It took me a long time to be able to tolerate Yes and even still, I wouldn't call myself a huge fan.  To me, Close to the Edge doesn't hold a candle to Selling England.
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Originally posted by zumacraig zumacraig wrote:

Roland

Oh man, the whirlwind is exhausting.  I think I just need a break from morse.  It's just much easier to pay attention to tfk for me.  I do love bridge across forever though.  Probably one of my all time favorite albums.  Go figure.  


Personally, I think the first TA album is easily the best.  It does have a song I'm not crazy about (Mystery Train), but I think all the rest is brilliant.  Very energetic, very fun album with none of Morse's "god bothering" (tip of the hat to Barney Wink).  Though, to be honest, TA as a rule has never been ranked that high for me.....I prefer other Stolt side projects more, and prefer Morse's solo stuff to most TA.  Whirlwind is a great listen though, if I'm in the mood.
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SMPTe is great. Sometimes if I'm in the right mood I even prefer it over Bridge. Songs like All of the above or My New World are for sure in my top 5.
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Hey guys, just wanted to take a moment to wish you all a Merry Christmas (or a happy solstice Barney).  May your individual holidays be filled with love and joy.
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For me Whirlwind is a best effort by TA. Easiest to digest and full of diversity. Classic prog, a bit of psychodelic moments, stunning jam song that reminds me of Run Like Hell..instant classic. That album had grown on me after a show in Poland where they played Whirl in It's entirety. What a blast I had. Roine proved that he's one of the best guitarist's around. Today I gave a listen to Black Forest by AoM and IT requires some time for me to get into that album and band. Vocal is quite weird tbh. But solo's on Elegy and Kingdom Of Heaven are truly beautiful. And that funky bass in ' quite little town'..Intriguing indeed. PS. Metry christmas everyone!
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