"Freedom" thread or something

Man, Economy, and State talks about it to some degree. The classic, though some what dated, is Gustave de Molinari's The Production of Security. It's short and free so I'd still recommend it. Anarchy and the Law is a good collection of essays and excerpts with the first section (192 pages) dealing with the issue.

To get the best idea of it you end up jumping around. Rothbard gives a good discussion in For A New Liberty which in general is a great book. However, he quotes a lot fro Molinari and Wooldridge's Uncle Sam the Monopology Man while not going into great detail (many arguments are kind of straw manish) since it was written as a book to popularize Libertarianism.

David Friedman (Milton's son) wrote a book The Machinery of Freedom. He takes a complete different approach than Rothbard with his conception, but I found it more realistic and more convincing. I would definitely recommend it.

Hans-Hermann Hoppe might be the one to give the most complete treatment along Rothbardian lines that I have seen. I would search out his articles rather than his books though The Economics and Ethics of Private Property would be a book you could read.

The general disclaimer is that none of these things are complete or really satisfactory in a way. A lot of it just requires that you piece it together yourself with thought and historical context. Some good historical things would be the recent An Anarchist History of Upland Southeast Asia by James Scott and the classic articles Property Rights in Celtic Irish Law by Peden and Friedman's Private Creation and Enforcement of Law - A Historical Case. In general, a good study of the history of common law in England and merchant law in medieval Italy will be illuminating.

What do Milton Friendman or the Chicago School have to do with this?

Edited by Equality 7-2521 - December 19 2012 at 14:50

I thought we were recommending books on economics, my bad.

Equality 7-2521 wrote: I missed you saying that Brian. I would have recommend you read Mises' Money and Credit and then opt for Rothbard's Man, Economy, and State instead. Have fun though! It's quite the read.

You actually did the first, and I tried it but for some reason I just can't read off the computer (I was using the free PDF version from the Mises Institute) and then, IDK out of sight out of mind.
Surely I will get to them at some point soon.

Actually that works David, I've recently been thinking about the mentality/psyche behind politics.


Edited by JJLehto - December 19 2012 at 18:08

Indeed I did.

Since this thread is in danger of slipping onto page 3, I figured this would be a good article to resurrect the thread with. Sounds like the Vikings have a punter who is an anarchist-leaning free market libertarian.

BUMP

with something good for once.
This will surprise exactly zero of you, but turns out the bailouts didn't do anything that was said it would, and maybe had no real impact on the economy. http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/secret-and-lies-of-the-bailout-20130104
From that evil "right wing" magazine rolling stone


What's sad is, I supported the bailouts. I still stand behind my decision at the time, since I sincerely believed the ideology behind it, but it's embarrassing that I thought it would do what they said. I've since seen even if you believe in the theory, and leaders are sincere... government action always ends up being corrupt and a way to line the pockets of the rich. At the least, it tends to be a failure.


This article also makes the claim that many of us have long said: the bailout promises and easy money of government just lead to more risky behavior, and the economy "still mostly sucks overall"

Hello

Well I stand behind my decision at the time, because sadly I can't time travel, yet, and tell myself it's foolish, but yeah needless to say I don't support bailouts anymore.
Exactly, it should at least go to those screwed over.

But that's the thing, even IF you do believe in it....there's no point. It will never do as you intend. I just keep seeing more examples of it.
Looks like little of it even went to bailing out the banks! Seems like little went to get loaned out, the rest just got pocketed.
What blew my mind was the change in the Fed that lets them earn interest on $ left there. So banks now have $1 trillion sitting idle, just to collect a few billion. Such a small return of investment, but I guess when the investment is made as easy as "leave that sh*t here" how can you not take it?

The remarks being that he was armed. Obviously could be completely falsified.

I've had some very nasty conversations online with FB friends who are now cops. They seem to divide the world into good guys and bad guys and bad guys get what the deserve in the cops' minds. Criminals are definitely a lesser life form, and the cops don't wait for a judge to decide who is a criminal.