Author |
Topic Search Topic Options
|
Equality 7-2521
Forum Senior Member
Joined: August 11 2005
Location: Philly
Status: Offline
Points: 15784
|
Posted: December 16 2012 at 12:22 |
It's really too much to go into her philosophy and clarify what that statement means. I would summarize by saying, she was a dick, but not nearly as big of a dick as people think.
|
"One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. "
|
|
thellama73
Collaborator
Honorary Collaborator
Joined: May 29 2006
Location: United States
Status: Offline
Points: 8368
|
Posted: December 16 2012 at 12:51 |
By altruism, she basically meant putting things you don't value above things you do (e.g. giving money to a faceless charity to appear generous in the eyes of society while neglecting you own family.) And by selfishness, she meant taking pride in your self-ownership and trying to better the lives of yourself and your loved ones. Her choice of words was unfortunate as it led to her being wildly misunderstood.
I often get accused of being anti-science because I believe that our current understanding of the world is incomplete and very likely riddled with errors, as it has been in every other period of human history. This is very far from the truth. I love science and all that it has achieved for mankind. I love the low infant mortality rates we enjoy today, to give one example, thanks to science. What I don't love is people who call me an idiot for questioning orthodoxy and suggesting that there are things we do not yet understand.
|
|
|
Equality 7-2521
Forum Senior Member
Joined: August 11 2005
Location: Philly
Status: Offline
Points: 15784
|
Posted: December 16 2012 at 13:06 |
She also disagree with giving aid to people who are lazy. Which is a solid point, but it's also a bit cold at the same time.
|
"One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. "
|
|
Alitare
Forum Senior Member
Joined: March 08 2008
Location: New York
Status: Offline
Points: 3595
|
Posted: December 16 2012 at 13:13 |
thellama73 wrote:
By altruism, she basically meant putting things you don't value above things you do (e.g. giving money to a faceless charity to appear generous in the eyes of society while neglecting you own family.) And by selfishness, she meant taking pride in your self-ownership and trying to better the lives of yourself and your loved ones. Her choice of words was unfortunate as it led to her being wildly misunderstood.
I often get accused of being anti-science because I believe that our current understanding of the world is incomplete and very likely riddled with errors, as it has been in every other period of human history. This is very far from the truth. I love science and all that it has achieved for mankind. I love the low infant mortality rates we enjoy today, to give one example, thanks to science. What I don't love is people who call me an idiot for questioning orthodoxy and suggesting that there are things we do not yet understand.
|
I feel almost exactly the same as this most days. I like asking as many questions as possible to as many sources. I like questions more than answers. Our understanding of the world will likely never be 100% complete. It won't be in our lifetime.
|
|
The T
Special Collaborator
Honorary Collaborator
Joined: October 16 2006
Location: FL, USA
Status: Offline
Points: 17493
|
Posted: December 16 2012 at 23:20 |
Ok I am posting a quote of a quote. I just read this on Sowell's "Intellectuals and Society" and it's quite a good summary for our friends the dichotomists . I am reading the book, but I had to google the specific quote since I was too lazy to type such a long text.
"One of the fertile sources of confusion in discussions of ideological issues is the dichotomy between the political left and the political right. Perhaps the most fundamental difference between the left and the right is that only the former has even a rough definition. What is called "the right" are simply the various and disparate opponents of the left. These opponents of the left may share no particular principle, much less a common agenda, and they can range from free-market libertarians to advocates of monarchy, theocracy, military dictatorship or innumerable other principles, systems and agendas...But the designation as being on the left has at least some historical basis in the views of those deputies who sat on the left side of the president's chair in France's Estates General in the eighteenth century. A rough summary of the vision of the political left today is that of collective decision-making through government, directed toward - or at least rationalized by - the goal of reducing economic and social inequalities. There may be moderate or extreme versions of the left vision or agenda but, among those designated as "the right," the difference between free market libertarians and military juntas is not simply one of degree in pursuing a common vision, because there is no common vision among these and other disparate groups opposed to the left - which is to say, there is no such definable thing as "the right," though there are various segments of that omnibus category, such as free market advocates, who can be defined" (Sowell, Intellectuals and Society, Basic Books, 2009: pgs. 90-91).
|
|
|
JJLehto
Prog Reviewer
Joined: April 05 2006
Location: Tallahassee, FL
Status: Offline
Points: 34550
|
Posted: December 16 2012 at 23:31 |
I also love Science and all it's done, but we're not Keynesians so we
are living in the stone age. I think just recently we accepted not
throwing our sh*t around at each other. I used to be a Keynesian
too, anyone who knew me on PA was aware of that, but now that I'm not
guess my IQ dropped 100 points with it Not even sure I'm really an Austrian either. IDK yet, overall I hover in some area between them and Chicago school.
Equality 7-2521 wrote:
It's really too much to go into her philosophy and clarify what that statement means. I would summarize by saying, she was a dick, but not nearly as big of a dick as people think.
|
That seems fair. And hey, she can be a dick...doesn't invalidate her work, or a movement that could be helped moved along by it. If we had to discard everything that stemmed from anyone with something wrong with them I don't think anything would exist ever.
Edited by JJLehto - December 16 2012 at 23:33
|
|
JJLehto
Prog Reviewer
Joined: April 05 2006
Location: Tallahassee, FL
Status: Offline
Points: 34550
|
Posted: December 17 2012 at 18:36 |
Fallen to the 2nd page. Just like the almighty fed I swoop in to save it.
|
|
manofmystery
Forum Senior Member
Joined: January 26 2008
Location: PA, USA
Status: Offline
Points: 4335
|
Posted: December 17 2012 at 18:44 |
I await my bailout check
|
Time always wins.
|
|
King of Loss
Prog Reviewer
Joined: April 21 2005
Location: Boston, MA
Status: Offline
Points: 16794
|
Posted: December 18 2012 at 18:25 |
http://www.usatoday.com/story/onpolitics/2012/12/12/ron-paul-speakers-bureau-congress/1764109/
Ron Paul- 50,000$ a pop, wow what a bargain compared to Mr. Clinton or some other bozo from Texas.
|
|
The T
Special Collaborator
Honorary Collaborator
Joined: October 16 2006
Location: FL, USA
Status: Offline
Points: 17493
|
Posted: December 18 2012 at 18:55 |
Especially when you take into account the making sense-per word ratio.
|
|
|
JJLehto
Prog Reviewer
Joined: April 05 2006
Location: Tallahassee, FL
Status: Offline
Points: 34550
|
Posted: December 18 2012 at 20:08 |
And hey...no big deal. That's what you do when you retire from politics. Clinton made more from speeches and public appearances than as President. Palin retired (besides to avoid that scandal) to go on that nation wide $$, erm, speech making tour. damn, what a hard life they live
|
|
King of Loss
Prog Reviewer
Joined: April 21 2005
Location: Boston, MA
Status: Offline
Points: 16794
|
Posted: December 18 2012 at 20:10 |
And the rest of us will get shafted by higher taxes coming up soon.
|
|
Alitare
Forum Senior Member
Joined: March 08 2008
Location: New York
Status: Offline
Points: 3595
|
Posted: December 18 2012 at 20:11 |
I'll be content working through my myriad bullsh*t hobbies and dying poor. No sense fighting for anything more - it wouldn't fit my mind really.
I wanna know have you ever seen the rain...
|
|
JJLehto
Prog Reviewer
Joined: April 05 2006
Location: Tallahassee, FL
Status: Offline
Points: 34550
|
Posted: December 18 2012 at 20:16 |
IDK but I assume most of their speech $$ comes from the place they are speaking at. So thank god I'm out of school! If Paul comes to speak there I'd have my tuition go up Well, I'd like to not die poor and will try to avoid that (IKR total sellout) but can't say I have aspirations to work my life away and try to be the 1% My goal is to be a professor, I'd enjoy it and they probably crack upper middle. For me that's living like a king! And writing. I assume I'll sell 0 copies, but will hold wild fantasies I make it huge and never have to work ever
|
|
timothy leary
Forum Senior Member
Joined: December 29 2005
Location: Lilliwaup, Wa.
Status: Offline
Points: 5319
|
Posted: December 18 2012 at 20:17 |
^ yes we see in seattle, almost every day
|
|
JJLehto
Prog Reviewer
Joined: April 05 2006
Location: Tallahassee, FL
Status: Offline
Points: 34550
|
Posted: December 18 2012 at 20:17 |
BTW, being a huge f**kin nerd and my passion to read much about a topic as I can...my copy of "Human Action" by Mises has arrived. OH GAWD, it's 900 pages and already looks like a challenge. Sometimes I hate myself
|
|
Padraic
Special Collaborator
Honorary Collaborator
Joined: February 16 2006
Location: Pennsylvania
Status: Offline
Points: 31169
|
Posted: December 18 2012 at 23:27 |
King of Loss wrote:
And the rest of us will get shafted by higher taxes coming up soon. |
I've posted before that if we go over the cliff with no deal, my financial "hurt" will be epic.
|
|
JJLehto
Prog Reviewer
Joined: April 05 2006
Location: Tallahassee, FL
Status: Offline
Points: 34550
|
Posted: December 19 2012 at 00:16 |
There will be. This has happened before, and being pragmatic leaders (they need their power right?) it's logical it'll happen again: Both sides need to put up their front, look good, last minute they strike a deal. Hell, all these "meetings" the Prez and Boehner had, they probably laugh about it all knowing it's already gunna happen Well... I hope! Besides the sting of being wrong...I saw the avg increase in NJ will be $4,000 The deal would certainly be more taxes on the top earners, and some kind of spending cuts. If Bama wants to keep middle class taxes lower there would have to be cuts, but most Reps want it done to medicare and etc We shall see.
|
|
horsewithteeth11
Prog Reviewer
Joined: January 09 2008
Location: Kentucky
Status: Offline
Points: 24598
|
Posted: December 19 2012 at 14:13 |
JJLehto wrote:
BTW, being a huge f**kin nerd and my passion to read much about a topic as I can...my copy of "Human Action" by Mises has arrived. OH GAWD, it's 900 pages and already looks like a challenge. Sometimes I hate myself
|
I wish you luck. It was quite a good and informative, but it took me almost 6 months to get through the damn thing. Once you get past the first part (which is more psychological stuff and him explaining his main theory), it becomes a fairly easy read if you understand what he's saying.
|
|
|
Equality 7-2521
Forum Senior Member
Joined: August 11 2005
Location: Philly
Status: Offline
Points: 15784
|
Posted: December 19 2012 at 14:18 |
I missed you saying that Brian. I would have recommend you read Mises' Money and Credit and then opt for Rothbard's Man, Economy, and State instead. Have fun though! It's quite the read.
|
"One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. "
|
|
Donate monthly and keep PA fast-loading and ad-free forever.