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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Finnforest Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 18 2012 at 18:00
Nice review Chris.....I quite enjoy that one despite the production issues...

 Al Maestrale by JANUS album cover Studio Album, 1978
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Al Maestrale
Janus Rock Progressivo Italiano

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3 stars Janus was formed in 1976 by young members of the Italian right wing Il Movimento Sociale Italiano (MSI), the youth front of which organised cultural events called Campi Hobbit (Hobbit fields) from 1977-81. The campi were of course named after the well-known novel by J. R. R. Tolkien and the author's work in general provided a cultural touchstone for the politicised youth of the right. This was mainly due to Italian philosopher Elemine Zolla's introduction (which was interpreted as neo-fascist) to the first edition of the 'Lord of the Rings' novel in 1970, but also in part because of Tolkien's regard for Nordic culture.

Progressive folk band La Compagnia dell'Anello (The Fellowship of the Ring) was another of the leading right wing formations (although Janus was undoubtedly foremost among them, even having a tribute album released in 1990s) and both groups took part in the inaugural campo at Montesarchio in June 1977. In fact there is also a strong folk element to 'Il Maestrale' thanks to its frequent flute and recorder forays, although overall it's a truly eclectic work and the wah wah on 'Tempo di Vittoria' (Time of Victory) that rounds out the album recalls the ramshackle vigour of Guru Guru. Anyway, by the time Janus played at the same event in the following year guitarist Stefano Recchioni was dead, having been shot and mortally wounded by police gunfire during a political riot that became known as the Massacre of Acca Larentia; singer-songwriter Fabrizio Marzi dedicated the song 'Giovinezza' to the memory of Recchioni.

Another important figure to the right wing was Julius Evola who placed great importance on mythology. He saw it as the intersection of history and superhistory, and the likes of Arthurian legend and, as a consequence, the Celtic cross became important symbols for the MSI. You might wonder where this review is going but the album is a product of the Italian right wing and all the above strands come together in the album's art and its title- track: 'How I love you, mistral wind... we are born of one womb... we were forever predestined to be heirs to heavy burdens and great battles... climb higher and hang in the sky because the world will see it and be truer.' The artwork mirrors these words with a Norse longboat climbing into the sky above the sea, its sail emblazoned with the Celtic cross that dominated the campi skylines. And similar themes recur throughout the album - a blistering guitar rips through the bedlam of the Arthurian-inspired 'Il Ritorno del Cavaliero Nero' (The Return of the Black Knight), while 'King of the Fairies' (based on Alberich, the dwarf chieftain who guards the treasure of the Nibelungen) is all folksy recorder and psychedelic organ.

Getting specific on the few lyrics on the album, 'Il Fuoco e La Spada' (Fire and Sword) concerns the 'just' fight of the last of a race of warriors riding on celestial steeds: 'I am an exile on this earth, inhabited by small scheming men without honour... yet I see a new sun will rise to illuminate the few hearts that were pure, free and proud and true.' Sonically this track is reminiscent of Calvert-era Hawkwind, but their take on the crisis of Italian terrorism, the hectic 'Manifestazione Non Autorizzata' (Unauthorised Demonstration), is even punkier and carries a less ambiguous message: 'the joy of the struggle and the victory' against the safe side 'who live by dollars and roubles.'

Of historical importance, 'Il Maestrale' is also *extremely* rough around the edges which probably makes it one for RPI aficionados only.


...that moment you realize you like "Mob Rules" better than "Heaven and Hell"
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Great review!

Jim, that's the album I was asking you about a few weeks back!

Hmmm, I was half-convinced to get it then, now I think Chris may have pushed me a little closer to a definate!
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Finnforest Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 18 2012 at 22:10
It's right up my alley, I love those quirky little underground albums.....Others may listen and think I'm nuts....it's not exactly YS or Darwin.  Wink
...that moment you realize you like "Mob Rules" better than "Heaven and Hell"
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Wow, Pierre, what an intense cover!! I'll give it a listen when I'm back at home in a few hours.
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Yeah. Always liked it. Good day.
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Maxophone
Maxophone Rock Progressivo Italiano

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2 stars Maxophone - st (1975)

This Italian symphonic progressive rock record is often seen as one of the highlights of the scene. Fullblown multi-instrumental arrangements, influences from Genesis and ELP, yet still a sort of own way of doing things in an almost orchestral way. The band incorperates many influences in it's compositions and is garentued to raise a smile with a composition like 'Fase', in which they switch styles in high tempo.

I don't like hearing instruments recorded in differents pitches. Maybe it's because I'm a trained musician myself; I really really don't like it, it makes me crumble. This is the type of well intentioned record that is totally ruined by false sounding guitars and keyboards that are like a saw for my harmonic brain. During almost every moment of the record there's some pitch anomaly that bothers me quite a lot. I don't think every music-listener hears this, because almost no-one seems to even mention the fact that some of the arrangements are painfully out of pitch. I would really love to hear a remaster in which all instruments are re-pitched to the same amount of Herz. As it is now, I can only recommend this record to symphonic prog listeners who have never engaged any problem whatsoever with a record sounding out of pitch. They will find Maxophone a great treat I guess.

Two stars, I just can't listen to this.


Just saw this review, anyone knows what he's talking about??
Out of pitch?? What is out of pitch? maybe he means out of tune, which I don't remember happening.
"I would really love to hear a remaster in which all instruments are re-pitched to the same amount of Herz." - The same amount of Hertz?? What is that? You have your lows your mids and your highs all divided between 20Hz to 20KHz. Does he want a record with only mids for example?

Frankly I always considered this album to be one of the better sounding RPI albums there is (from the 70's), with good recording and a very good mix considering the number of various instruments used.

What do you guys think?

EDIT: I have the japanese 2004 remaster and it sounds good, not amazing since the original master tapes were lost and it is actually a remaster from a vinyl, but I don't recall the original vinyl too have such a problem.



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^Yeah, saw that. I don't know either, all I know is that it's a classic... one of the albums that turned me on to the RPI.
 
On the English vocals thing, yeah I prefer Italian vocals for sure, but a couple of PFM's and some other English-vocals albums are special. The English version of this song, the Mellotron is more prominent, but it's just fantastic in either version. 
 
 
 
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^ What a gorgeous video and definitely an excellent version by the masters of prog. Still it's nice to hear for a couple of times and for that great production only, but I prefer the italian version.
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Originally posted by hellogoodbye hellogoodbye wrote:




Pierre, I loved that track `Donna Hai Ragione Tu' you linked!! The fragile keyboards and that odd rattling drumming, heartfelt weary vocals too!

For some strange reason I was expecting it to have female vocals, I was looking at that striking woman on the album cover!

Thank you for sharing, very impressed!!

UPDATED - I noticed Greg Walker at Syn-phonic has a double CD with this studio album and a live one, would you recommend it?

Damn, though, that cover would look amazing on a vinyl reissue....   

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I only have the single version. You should ask Jim fot the sound of th elive CD.
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... an italian version of Quicksilver Messenger Service... Nice one, Jim! 

Michael, if you follow Pierre's link to the band's PA page you'll find Jim's review of that 2-disc edition. His comments about the live disc will probably sway you in favour of buying...  
 
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Originally posted by hellogoodbye hellogoodbye wrote:

MAXOPHONE LIVE  76
 
 
 

Although it's nice to see the band performing this is clearly a playback from the original album, released in the DVD From Cocoon To Butterfly if I'm not mistaking.

I prefer this live version from their reunion. English version of Elzeviro.



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Sorry Sag, but I can't in english. Cry
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Sagichim Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 19 2012 at 15:06
Me too LOL, I was just sharing.

EDIT: I was hoping you would focus on the music, a real live version.


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To focus on the music, I would need a mixing desk Wink !
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Originally posted by sagichim sagichim wrote:

Maxophone
Maxophone Rock Progressivo Italiano

Review by friso
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2 stars Maxophone - st (1975)

Just saw this review, anyone knows what he's talking about??
Out of pitch?? What is out of pitch? maybe he means out of tune, which I don't remember happening.
"I would really love to hear a remaster in which all instruments are re-pitched to the same amount of Herz." - The same amount of Hertz?? What is that? You have your lows your mids and your highs all divided between 20Hz to 20KHz. Does he want a record with only mids for example?

Frankly I always considered this album to be one of the better sounding RPI albums there is (from the 70's), with good recording and a very good mix considering the number of various instruments used.

What do you guys think?

EDIT: I have the japanese 2004 remaster and it sounds good, not amazing since the original master tapes were lost and it is actually a remaster from a vinyl, but I don't recall the original vinyl too have such a problem.

I was curious about this as well and listened to it today. 
 
I am no muscian but I don't think I hear in "2D" either (as I acuse my wife's hearing, rather flatLOL).  I wonder if he is referring to octaves on some instruments being too high above the fundamental frequency or hertz.  Also there is quite a bit of phasor or flanging effects going on that will sort of move the pitch in and out or around the tone and he could be what he meant, espicially if they applied it to a saxophone.
 
Regardless, I never thought of any of this on my first listen up until today as I thought it sounded great and nothing was out of place.  Can't wait to check some the posts above on the live stuff.
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AEP, that Maxophone is a wonderful album, glad you didn't hesitate to check it out! I've only ever heard the Italian version, but it's endlessly good, with a strong Genesis quality to both parts of the music and some of the vocals. The only bit I don't like is this slightly cheesy ligh-hearted spot a few minutes into the first track, though it's only brief, do you know the spot I mean?

Let us know what you think of it after a few spins!
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