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Aussie-Byrd-Brother
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Hi Lizzy, I was looking at buying a few of those `Progressive Italia' 6 disc compilation sets, and one of the discs in one volume has the English version of that Latte e Miele album! I'd planned on asking on here what it was like, but your comment speaks volumes! Then again, I've not heard the Italian version yet either... Although I just mentioned it, I've also never heard the English version of Le Orme's `Felona E Serona'....after loving the Italian original for years, I really don't see the point! |
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NotAProghead
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In my opinion English version of LATTE e MIELE's "Papillon" is not a bad addition to its Italian version. LE ORME's "Felona e Sorona" is even more intriguing. Yes, Aldo Tagliepietra's singing in English is far from perfection and it's hard to sort out what he's singing about. But, from the other hand, recent reissue: http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=33435, containing both Italian and English lyrics printed in the booklet, is not only for completists. We all know Peter Hamill wrote English lyrics using only general idea of opposites and the balance of the world. I find it interesting to compare Italian album (you can get its idea even with the help of online translators) and Hamill's interpretation.
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Lizzy
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Hiya! The thing is, it is interesting to have such an item as a collector and listening to it can be quite an experience, but no more than once. I would strongly recommend the Italian version of it, but then again Latte e Miele are probably my favourite RPI band, so there might be a bit of bias involved. |
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Aussie-Byrd-Brother
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Proghead, I really did consider getting that recent double CD re-release of `Felona'. I've only got it on vinyl, so it would have been nice to have a pristine new CD, as well as the bonus of the English version! I probably should have listened to the English one first years ago, but it was the Italian one I first came across. I might be getting to hear that English Latte E Miele one if I buy that compilation box-set, so on your recommendation I'll keep an open mind! |
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Aussie-Byrd-Brother
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Lizzy! I know what you mean...I guess if it's a different version of a beloved artist/album that means a lot to you, it's possibly going to come across as a poor `cover band' interpretation at best...NEVER a good thing! Your bias is also completely understood, pretty sure we all have ones that are really special to us! |
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hellogoodbye
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Lagnuage to be continued ...
OK. There is the language. The native is better. But there are the lyrics too. The great french lyricists are not really prog lyricists. (Brel, Barbara, Brassens, ferret, Gainsbourg, Bashung ...) A a french, I can't help listenning carrefuly to the french lyrics. Those of "Ange" are sometimes good (Emile Jacotey), but often sound as bad poetry (many songs of Le cimetiére des arlequins, par les fils de Mandrin ...etc.). Bad words that I understand will always prevent me to really love the music.
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Aussie-Byrd-Brother
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Pierre, I think sometimes I don't find bad lyrics in prog too negative! Most of the time, lyrics in progressive albums are quite surreal, vague and open to interpretation, so it doesn't upset me if they don't make a lot of sense!
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hellogoodbye
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It's not a question of sense, Michael. It's a question of quality. And I just speak for the french one I know.
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Finnforest
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Lizzy!!!! So nice to see you back in the Den. Stick around if you like, there are several new RPI enthusiasts hanging out these days... New listening suggestions come fast and furious as you can see from the past many pages...... Gene....first spin was great, I'll weigh in more later. |
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AEProgman
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^ Having been in the RPI world of 2 or so months (and around 20 RPI albums $$ poorer ), I have not heard any english versions (and I do not spake any Italian) and I don't think I want to as it holds a certain charm and mystery the way it is for me (I like my own interpretations based on the emotion or feel it portrays-Chainti helps also). And along the lines Pierre mentioned, I feel I would lose so interest in some of the albums if I understood the lyrics. Although having heard Mad Puppet's King Laurin in english was a cool concept album to hear, but that fell into the category of Neo-prog band from Italy, so I won't count that one. I agree with Jim as I want each country to hold its own culture and I would hate to visit there and just see McDonalds and Wal-marts on every corner.
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Finnforest
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Me too Jim....I really treasure having the vocal be "an instrument" of sound rather than a text delivery device.....it makes RPI special....when I listen to prog I'm not after a lyrical experience really.....if I want that I can read a book or listen to other rock...RPI is the mixture of great music, the emotion, the romantic language, the operatic, theatrical vibe that those bands made their specialty
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...that moment you realize you like "Mob Rules" better than "Heaven and Hell"
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dreadpirateroberts
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At first listen I thought the EL version had a different mix instrumentally too, which was interesting. Or it might be the mastering, haven't heard it in over a year though, might have to double check |
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I never cared for any english version I heard and that includes Maxophone, PFM, Banco and many more. I can't help but feel that the magic is not complete. Original Italian language for me and I guess for most of you guys too.
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hellogoodbye
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A pleasant album, no less no more. (1981)
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seventhsojourn
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Light on the prog but I really like that one.
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boris netzer
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Hi lads, I'm a newcomer in this game (recently registered, but soundtrack lover for a long time).
I would like to introduce you to my own band: The Unknown Project. We're based in Perpignan, Southfrance and formed in 2006. We're a band/collective, formed with the main idea of doing a tribute to the Italian O.S.T. genre, that means, creating our own compositions with the soundtrack-format (main theme/ambiance/theme version, etc...) We mainly try to build our tunes around a solid concept (the Giallo thing, for our first LP, other things will be done in the future), but without forgetting our other influences (Fantomas, Crimso, Floyd, Genesis, Hip-hop things, among others). Two CD's have been issued: "The Young lady EP" (2010), and "Original soundtrack-Whatever happened to Otis-reel#1" (2011), both on the french label Trueflav Records. Here are the link of our bandcamp: http://theunknownproject.bandcamp.com/ and our FB page: http://www.facebook.com/theunknownproject Cheers mates! Hope you'll enjoy it! |
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hellogoodbye
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Welcome Boris. Just listened to the Otis (an old friend of mine) Soundtrack. Sounds very nice. BTW, I'm born in Perpignan.
Duck.
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boris netzer
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boris netzer
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Merci, mec/thanks guy! A un des ces quatre si on passe a Paris/ see ya if we play in Paris!
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hellogoodbye
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Volontiers !
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