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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 14 2012 at 18:50
Tragedy inevitably fuels politics (i.e., "policy").  Whether it does so the day of or the next year, it happens.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 14 2012 at 18:53

TheDoctor has just crossed one hell of a line, with me.  He comes in here all the time yet still thinks that not only do I give two sh*ts about partisan politics but that it's more important to me than human lives.  And it's all done because of his knee jerk reaction to defend a democrat.  Sickened beyond belief, right now



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 14 2012 at 18:59
Democrats do a good job of pretending to care about people, don't they?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 14 2012 at 19:22
Keep your eyes open and prick up your ears
Rehearse your loudest cry
There's folk out there who would do you harm
So I'll sing you no lullaby
Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 14 2012 at 19:24
I'd say it's sad but some libertarians and some conservatives do a good job of pretending they don't.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 14 2012 at 19:41
Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

I'd say it's sad but some libertarians and some conservatives do a good job of pretending they don't.


Which leads me to believe that they aren't pretending. 
I can understand your anger at me, but what did the horse I rode in on ever do to you?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 14 2012 at 19:42
Originally posted by thellama73 thellama73 wrote:

Democrats do a good job of pretending to care about people, don't they?


They had me believing it for years!

As for Teo's comment, I think many don't. My original beef with libertarianism, if you recall, was it was just people trying to mask greed under "freedom" and "liberty" and etc
To be fair, I still think many in power, (and quite a few people) ARE that way. All the Republicans who never said a word (oh wait except Mr Paul) about the amazing irresponsibility of the GOP under Wubya suddenly jump on the limited gov train?

Also, as Paul said, they killed Carter in the day and then seemed a ok with the debt Reagan started piling up.
I guess the point is, this is why it makes me angry when many who DO want limited government keep seeking it from the GOP.
I do understand it, until a couple of years ago I still held hope for the Democrats. They will help the middle class and small business, they will change our foreign policy, they will end the drug war, they will support a more open government, they will respect our civil liberties. Kept praying, until finally I accepted it was foolishCry


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 14 2012 at 19:45
You people don't stand for liberty....
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 14 2012 at 19:48
What do you mean"you people"? Angry
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 14 2012 at 20:00
Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:

You people don't stand for liberty....
 
 
Oh, I just can't wait to hear this.  Wonder if it'll be in cartoon form.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 14 2012 at 20:04
Has anyone else noticed that every leftist here (Doc, Slarti, Tim, etc) has utterly given up on trying to make a coherent argument? The only thing I've heard from them in a couple of weeks are ad hominems and straw men.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 14 2012 at 20:06
Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:

You people don't stand for liberty....


You're not just now figuring that out are you?
I can understand your anger at me, but what did the horse I rode in on ever do to you?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 14 2012 at 20:15
Originally posted by thellama73 thellama73 wrote:

Has anyone else noticed that every leftist here (Doc, Slarti, Tim, etc) has utterly given up on trying to make a coherent argument? The only thing I've heard from them in a couple of weeks are ad hominems and straw men.

Evidently America wants nothing to do wIth the selfish views of libertarianism. Argue with America, evidently they do not want a libertarian as president. My you can take your orders from the Koch brothers. Rattle your chains.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 14 2012 at 20:17
Originally posted by thellama73 thellama73 wrote:

Has anyone else noticed that every leftist here (Doc, Slarti, Tim, etc) has utterly given up on trying to make a coherent argument? The only thing I've heard from them in a couple of weeks are ad hominems and straw men.
 
 
Been noticing that since the first thread.  Actively ignoring every single hole shot through their belief system has been what "liberals" have done in this thread since it began.  JJ and The T are the only one's who've had the capacity to rise above the ignorance.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 14 2012 at 20:25
Originally posted by timothy leary timothy leary wrote:

Originally posted by thellama73 thellama73 wrote:

Has anyone else noticed that every leftist here (Doc, Slarti, Tim, etc) has utterly given up on trying to make a coherent argument? The only thing I've heard from them in a couple of weeks are ad hominems and straw men.

Evidently America wants nothing to do wIth the selfish views of libertarianism. Argue with America, evidently they do not want a libertarian as president. My you can take your orders from the Koch brothers. Rattle your chains.


You keep saying "rattle your chains" as if I am supposed to know what that means. I absolutely don't. I don't take orders from anyone, Kochs or otherwise. I don't believe I ever claimed that America agrees with me, but the reason I engage people like yourself in debate is that I hope to a) make you understand my viewpoint so that you will realize that it is not selfish or immoral, and b) understand your viewpoint, which seems to me very selfish and immoral.

So far, I (with the help of others) have managed to get through to the T and JJ which I consider a highly commendable success rate. I wish you would listen to what I had to say and coherently state your positions that I might better understand you instead of repeating "rattle your chains" at me.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 14 2012 at 20:26
My belief system is I don't really care about any of them. I don't adhere to any political party in America. I am retired and I enjoy what is left of my life. I trust my pets more than any politician in the entire country. So yes I am ignorant. And that makes you, what, smart, right.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 14 2012 at 20:27
Originally posted by timothy leary timothy leary wrote:

My belief system is I don't really care about any of them. I don't adhere to any political party in America. I am retired and I enjoy what is left of my life. I trust my pets more than any politician in the entire country. So yes I am ignorant. And that makes you, what, smart, right.


No, it means we don't have to listen to you, since you apparently "got yours" and we have to wonder about the future of this country.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 14 2012 at 20:31
A simple "your welcome" for the ill gotten social security money will suffice, Timmy. Wink


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 14 2012 at 20:34
I earned it, it came out of my checks for forty years of hard work. I will think of you when I climb in my nice motor home and travel south for the winter.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 14 2012 at 20:43

When Texas Governor Rick Perry, a front-runner in the Republican primary for president, derides Social Security as a “Ponzi scheme” or a “monstrous lie,” that rhetoric can be traced back to the work of Hayek and Koch. And yet we now know that in private practice, Hayek was perfectly content to pay into Social Security and that Koch encouraged him to draw upon both Social Security and Medicare. Did they really believe what they wrote? Or were these attacks just scare-talk meant for the rubes, for you and us, “the public”?

Calling this mere hypocrisy downplays the seriousness of their fraud. Koch and Hayek are no more hypocritical than the used-car salesman who knowingly sells a lemon to a gullible buyer, or the financial agency that rates “AAA” instruments it knows are crap. This is a grand swindle played on a trusting, gullible public, a scam whose goal is to con America’s dying middle class into handing over their retirement money to the richest 0.1 percent, convincing them that in doing so, they’re “empowering” themselves and protecting their “individual liberty.”

Another question hangs over all this: Why didn’t Charles Koch offer to put up some of his enormous wealth to pay for Hayek’s temporary medical insurance? One obvious answer: because the state had already offered a better and freer program. But perhaps Koch’s stinginess also reveals the social ethic behind libertarian values: every man for himself; selfishness is a virtue.

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