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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 03 2012 at 05:56
Originally posted by Roxbrough Roxbrough wrote:

Vinyl is clearly superior to CD 

No, it "clearly" isn't.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 03 2012 at 05:57
... true, but if you've never 'heard' a cow.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 03 2012 at 06:00
Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

... true, but if you've never 'heard' a cow.

I think basically the argument is this. Surrealist prefers an analogue set up so  therefore it is superior. And for him, science has to be a belief system because he personally doesn't like the evidence. So he can simply "disbelieve" it.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 03 2012 at 06:07
Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

... true, but if you've never 'heard' a cow.

I think basically the argument is this. Surrealist prefers an analogue set up so  therefore it is superior.

QED.
Oh, I though you were replying to Roxbrough.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 03 2012 at 06:09
Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

... true, but if you've never 'heard' a cow.

I think basically the argument is this. Surrealist prefers an analogue set up so  therefore it is superior.

QED.
Oh, I though you were replying to Roxborough.

No. he managed to post before I. But now  your post makes me laugh.LOL
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 03 2012 at 07:50
Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

... true, but if you've never 'heard' a cow.

I think basically the argument is this. Surrealist prefers an analogue set up so  therefore it is superior. And for him, science has to be a belief system because he personally doesn't like the evidence. So he can simply "disbelieve" it.

QED.
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 03 2012 at 10:39
Originally posted by Roxbrough Roxbrough wrote:

A rega planar 3 turntable playing an LP sounds better than any CD player at any price. Those who prefer CD have never 'heard' an LP.
I just went to buy one and Selling England is turning on it but I can't hear anything Unhappy 
I did not know that a turntable without amp and speakers was enough to get the ultimate sound experience Confused
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 03 2012 at 12:54
Originally posted by Gerinski Gerinski wrote:

Originally posted by Roxbrough Roxbrough wrote:

A rega planar 3 turntable playing an LP sounds better than any CD player at any price. Those who prefer CD have never 'heard' an LP.
I just went to buy one and Selling England is turning on it but I can't hear anything Unhappy 
I did not know that a turntable without amp and speakers was enough to get the ultimate sound experience Confused
You need a tube amp to get the ultimate sound experience
 
For that you need lots of these:
 
which, we all know is an ancient technology:
 
but as anyone will tell you, they can contain a lot more detail than you'd imagine:
 
and can even be used for the ultimate playback media, compact cassette:
 
However, you need to watch out for distortion:
 
 
which can look a bit ugly:
 
but can sound as true as a bell:
 
and can be made in stereo:
 
as long as you use the right interconnects:
 
and can also be used to make a top-notch radio receiver:
 
 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 03 2012 at 15:44
Originally posted by Surrealist Surrealist wrote:

Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Anyone that claims that science is a belief system has totally failed to win me over in any argument. 


Some people believe in religion.
Some people believe in science.

It's just a belief system.  Hate to break the new to you on that. 

For me..

I will choose a path that's clear, I will choose freewill!



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 03 2012 at 16:53
Originally posted by Aquiring the Taste Aquiring the Taste wrote:

[Being now, not capable of posting anywhere on this sight, or able to send PMs, this  avenue will close also.  I don't know whether Dean or one of his Cronies is responsible, but it is Hitlerean.
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I don't know where or even what the problem is but it is nothing to do with the site, me or any other Admin. You have posted this post from the same address as your previous posts and your account is active with all the rights and accesses you are entitled to have - that indicates that all avenues that can be opened are open because all we can do is suspend your account or block your IP address, and it is plain to see that neither of those have happened
 
If you cannot post anywhere (?) on the site or send PMs then it is possibly something your end that is causing the problem, such as cookies or browser security.
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 03 2012 at 17:02
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 03 2012 at 17:04
The only logical explanation.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 03 2012 at 19:13
Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

The only logical explanation.

As a site administrator, you have the ability to find out, it's the only site where I have this issue
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 04 2012 at 01:11
Originally posted by Aquiring the Taste Aquiring the Taste wrote:

Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

The only logical explanation.

As a site administrator, you have the ability to find out, it's the only site where I have this issue
Then you are going to have to be far more specific because you are posting in this thread and if you can post here then you can post anywhere. If you cannot send PMs to a specific person it could be that their inbox is full, if you cannot send PMs in general then I have no idea what the problem is. If you are receiving page errors then you need to tell me what they are, I cannot know what problems you are experiencing unless you tell me what they are in greater detail than simply accusing me of some underhand wrong doing or failure to do my job. Geek

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 04 2012 at 20:13
Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:


Originally posted by Roxbrough Roxbrough wrote:



Vinyl is clearly superior to CD 

No, it "clearly" isn't.


Oh man. It really isn't.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 08 2012 at 23:41
Originally posted by progbethyname progbethyname wrote:

Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:


Originally posted by Roxbrough Roxbrough wrote:



Vinyl is clearly superior to CD 

No, it "clearly" isn't.


Oh man. It really isn't.

Consider the source.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 09 2012 at 03:31
I guess that this has been said before, but in any case the argument towards analog would only be valid for old vinyls recorded using a completely analog process.
Most modern musicians employ digital equipment in their playing, recording or mastering so even if they release their work in vinyl the source will be digital and anybody claiming that the vinyl sounds better than the CD would be necessarily a fool.
I guess that even most modern vinyl re-editions of old albums come from some digital treatment so the love for "pure analog" is limited to listening to actual old vinyls (or magnetic tapes) which in time will necessarily wear and tear, so like it or not, analog is a thing of the past.
 
Personally I'm happy that with CD's I don't have to worry about background noise, cracks, having to clean the disc everytime before playing it, replacing the pickup needle, tapes getting stuck or twisted etc. Even if the sound quality would really be a bit inferior, CD is so much more practical.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 09 2012 at 03:58
Maybe it's more about the way that albums are mixed and mastered today that many people don't like more than just a digital/analog difference.

I love how 70's albums and classic prog rock albums are mixed and produced, so much that it influences me on how I like the music today. 

The way it's played (not copy/paste), mixed, mastered is the most important in my opinion. Modern bands could record only on analog gear and release a vinyl, I'm not sure it would sound "analog" the way it was in the 70's. Some bands achieve this though but it's quite rare.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 09 2012 at 04:52
Originally posted by Anaon Anaon wrote:

Maybe it's more about the way that albums are mixed and mastered today that many people don't like more than just a digital/analog difference.

I love how 70's albums and classic prog rock albums are mixed and produced, so much that it influences me on how I like the music today. 

The way it's played (not copy/paste), mixed, mastered is the most important in my opinion. Modern bands could record only on analog gear and release a vinyl, I'm not sure it would sound "analog" the way it was in the 70's. Some bands achieve this though but it's quite rare.
Sure this has a lot to do with it. Nowadays musicians too often tweak and edit their playing before releasing the end product and that can bring a colder, more clinical feel.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 09 2012 at 05:46
Originally posted by Gerinski Gerinski wrote:

Originally posted by Anaon Anaon wrote:

Maybe it's more about the way that albums are mixed and mastered today that many people don't like more than just a digital/analog difference.

I love how 70's albums and classic prog rock albums are mixed and produced, so much that it influences me on how I like the music today. 

The way it's played (not copy/paste), mixed, mastered is the most important in my opinion. Modern bands could record only on analog gear and release a vinyl, I'm not sure it would sound "analog" the way it was in the 70's. Some bands achieve this though but it's quite rare.
Sure this has a lot to do with it. Nowadays musicians too often tweak and edit their playing before releasing the end product and that can bring a colder, more clinical feel.
I see this said a lot and wonder just how common this really is or whether it's just a myth. Tweaking and editing notes in a phrase is possible but not easy and in many cases not practical.
 
What modern production technology allows a musician to do is "get it right" because multiple takes and retakes are far easier now - they don't have to use any studio skill and trickery in recording a punch-in/out overdub section with modern equipment like in the days of analogue recording. When you've only got 16 or 24 tracks to play with there is a limit to how many takes you can pick and chose the best of a particular instrument when producing the final mix, modern digital studios do not have that limitation.
 
Studio time is another factor that was a luxury back in the day that is less important today, musicians have more time to "get it right" now, the pressure of wasting studio time on retakes is reduced (and with that, fewer mistakes are both made and allowed to remain).
 
Note for note perfection can actually be the result of a musician playing well and producing the goods by his own skill and technique, the modern studio allows that ideal to be a reality without recourse to "cheating" and without sacrificing the human element of the musician playing his instrument to the best of his ability. To me there seems something disingenuous in a genre renowned for elitism, pretentiousness, skillful musicianship and the search for perfection that when someone actually produces something that fits that description we assume it is the result of some studio trickery and not attributable to the musician's ability
 
I think we are prone to compare the worst of what we don't like with the best of what we do like and I don't think that is fair or reasonable. So if there are good modern productions (which I firmly believe there are), then they should be the yard-stick by which we make any comparative judgement, not only against the best and worse of past recordings, but with the best and worse of modern recordings.
 
I do not hear a lot of cold and clinical sounding albums: I'm currently listening to Francis Lickerish's new album and it is a deep and warm sumptuous mix of subtlety and bombastic drama that has characterised his music since he produced Fand on The Enid's Aerie Faerie Nonsense back in 1977; similarly Rick Wakeman's 2012 re-recording of Journey To The Centre Of The Earth is far from cold and clinical, the same can be said of Steve Hackett's Genesis Revisited II. All of those give us an insight to what the musician wanted to achieve in the 70s with what they can achieve today, that they are consummate musicians of skill and ability is beyond reproach, it would be a brave man to accuse Lickerish, Wakeman or Hackett of not being able to actually play the notes they record, of using tweaking and editing to achieve that perfect studio performance. When we then compare those to the works of younger musicians who do not have that "then and now" provenance can we not then afford them the same honour and courtesy?
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