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The Doctor wrote: Epignosis wrote: The Doctor wrote: Well, I'm not going to get your wealth from you.  But we are talking about the government (you know, the one with a massive army, and armed law enforcement officers).  If the government wants your money Rob there isn't one damn thing you could do about it and you know it. That's true. But the first four or five people who try to take it will die. I find it truly sad that you place property above human life.  I really do.

Well, you have no respect for property rights.

I will kill someone who attempts to rob me.  If someone doesn't like that, then someone shouldn't try to take what isn't theirs.  Got it?


Edited by Epignosis - November 29 2012 at 19:29

I have a question for you Rob.  Why haven't you yet gone all Timothy McVeigh.  You believe taxation is theft (although you don't believe CEOs underpaying their staff so they can increase their own exorbitant salaries is theft ) and you just said you'd kill anyone who tried to steal your money.  

The Doctor wrote: I have a question for you Rob.  Why haven't you yet gone all Timothy McVeigh.  You believe taxation is theft (although you don't believe CEOs underpaying their staff so they can increase their own exorbitant salaries is theft ) and you just said you'd kill anyone who tried to steal your money.

I don't pay federal taxes.  I'm one of the 47%.

The federal government gives me thousands of dollars just because I'm married, work, and have children.

Epignosis wrote: The Doctor wrote: I have a question for you Rob.  Why haven't you yet gone all Timothy McVeigh.  You believe taxation is theft (although you don't believe CEOs underpaying their staff so they can increase their own exorbitant salaries is theft ) and you just said you'd kill anyone who tried to steal your money.   I don't pay federal taxes.  I'm one of the 47%. The federal government gives me thousands of dollars just because I'm married, work, and have children.

Then you should put your money where your mouth is and stop accepting anything from the federal government.  Don't you think?

If you are not willing to use violence to protect your property what do you intend to do,just ask? You are basically inviting anyone who wants to to just waltz into your house and take whatever they want because they know that, as long as they don't threaten you physically, you will not try to harm them.

If everyone had your mindset, only fools would not be thieves.

thellama73 wrote: If you are not willing to use violence to protect your property what do you intend to do,just ask? You are basically inviting anyone who wants to to just waltz into your house and take whatever they want because they know that, as long as they don't threaten you physically, you will not try to harm them. If everyone had your mindset, only fools would not be thieves.

I didn't say I was unwilling to use violence.  I said it was unacceptable to kill to protect property alone. 

Rob, fair enough, and that is something I can understand.  Using deadly force to protect yourself and your loved ones from violent harm or death is acceptable.  I'm not a pacifist by any means.  However, you did say that you would use deadly force against government agents (who presumably would not be there to kill you or your family, but simply to take your stuff).

The Doctor wrote: thellama73 wrote: If you are not willing to use violence to protect your property what do you intend to do,just ask? You are basically inviting anyone who wants to to just waltz into your house and take whatever they want because they know that, as long as they don't threaten you physically, you will not try to harm them. If everyone had your mindset, only fools would not be thieves. I didn't say I was unwilling to use violence.  I said it was unacceptable to kill to protect property alone.  Rob, fair enough, and that is something I can understand.  Using deadly force to protect yourself and your loved ones from violent harm or death is acceptable.  I'm not a pacifist by any means.  However, you did say that you would use deadly force against government agents (who presumably would not be there to kill you or your family, but simply to take your stuff).

Government agents taking my property are thieves by a longer name, my friend.

I don't care really because talking about hypothetical situations is in the end just talk. Violence is only one of many ways in dealing with problems.

So are you just getting a refund of your withholdings or do you get back more than was withheld? I get a refund at the end of the year.  Government withholdings equal about 5K per year, but then I get back a couple hundred dollars at tax time.  But I don't view that as actually getting money from the government.  I thought you were talking about the EIC.  You don't have to accept money over and above whatever was withheld.  If you believe that strongly about it, you could always cut a check back to the IRS for the amount of the EIC overpayment.  Just sayin.  

sagichim wrote: Equality 7-2521 wrote: Epignosis wrote: If someone breaks into my home to steal from me, I'm not going for "proportionate" force.  This is not an errant child to be disciplined.  No kid gloves.  That may be fine on an individual basis, but you can't really apply it to countries. Shooting everyone who lives on the burglar's block because they share the same geographical and neighborhood watch association would be asinine.  If you were referring to the Israel/Palestine situation then my friend you have no idea what you're talking about and I explained it a page earlier. You don't see the big picture.

I'm referring to modern war in general. The Israel/Palestine situation is even more idiotic than most modern wars.