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    Posted: November 27 2012 at 22:48
What does each star rating mean when you give it?

5.0: Masterpiece; perfect or just about perfect
4.5: Amazing; almost a masterpiece but not quite
4.0: Great; no major flaws
3.5: Got some bad songs, but mostly awesome
3.0: Mixed; a lot of ups and downs
2.5: Forgettable
and 2.0 to 0.5 are varying degrees of bad
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 27 2012 at 22:50
Originally posted by smartpatrol smartpatrol wrote:



5.0: Masterpiece; perfect or just about perfect
4.5: Amazing; almost a masterpiece but not quite
4.0: Great; no major flaws
3.5: Got some bad songs, but mostly awesome
3.0: Mixed; a lot of ups and downs
2.5: Forgettable
and 2.0 to 0.5 are varying degrees of bad

I agree with this just fine.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 28 2012 at 01:06
My rating criteria list is pretty loaded. In it are things like originality, capability to blow my mind, musical and lyrical talent, consistency, etc. It's simple math there. That means that the record under my current review would have to be one hell of a record to get a five from me. The less criteria the record passes, the lower the rating.

There was a time when I used to write pretty heavily for a few days on the grounds of enjoyment (which was just not fair to the authors whose works I've rated). I'm intent on re-doing all of my reviews and ratings, making them as objective as I will see them to be whilst retaining a hint of personality in the reviews.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 28 2012 at 01:09
I increasingly find rating standards to be trite and unnecessary--  'what do I think?' is my rating system

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 28 2012 at 01:14
Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

I increasingly find rating standards to be trite and unnecessary--  'what do I think?' is my rating system.
Sorry for bothering you; I'm just curious about why you think so.

Edited by Dayvenkirq - November 28 2012 at 01:15
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 28 2012 at 06:12
Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

I increasingly find rating standards to be trite and unnecessary--  'what do I think?' is my rating system


This, more or less. Mostly I'll have an idea of what rating I will give in my head by the time I listen a few times.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 28 2012 at 07:01
Rating is overrated.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 28 2012 at 07:34
Originally posted by smartpatrol smartpatrol wrote:

3.5: Got some bad songs, but mostly awesome
3.0: Mixed; a lot of ups and downs
Not necessarily. 3 - 3.5 albums can be consistently at 3 - 3.5 level without any awesome nor any bad songs.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 28 2012 at 08:15
Originally posted by zravkapt zravkapt wrote:

Rating is overrated.
Nice tautology.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 28 2012 at 08:20
For what it's worth, here's what the stars mean to me.

5 stars = Album with few to no weak spots, I am truly awed by it.  My enjoyment is likely to translate to others, and the album has a "special place" in my heart and soul.

4 stars = Excellent album that I would recommend. Either very consistently good, or so strange and original that it makes up for any flaws or shortcomings.

3 stars = A good album that I enjoy, but would probably not place on a "favorites" list. 

2 stars = A so-so to decent album that's fairly flawed but can still be a bit of fun if I'm in the right mood. (edit: typical of this category could be albums where I really like just one or two songs a lot)

1 star = I haven't given any of these yet.  Just a bad album.  I just haven't been inspired to spend the time reviewing, let alone listening carefully enough to produce a thoughtful review, something I truly consider bad.  Plus, I kind of like "bad" albums in a perverse sort of way, so I'd be torn as to whether to really give it the 1.


Edited by HolyMoly - November 28 2012 at 15:58
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 28 2012 at 08:31
Originally posted by HolyMoly HolyMoly wrote:

For what it's worth, here's what the stars mean to me.

5 stars = Album with few to no weak spots, I am truly awed by it.  My enjoyment is likely to translate to others, and the album has a "special place" in my heart and soul.

4 stars = Excellent album that I would recommend. Either very consistently good, or so strange and original that it makes up for any flaws or shortcomings.

3 stars = A good album that I enjoy, but would probably not place on a "favorites" list. 

2 stars = A so-so to decent album that's fairly flawed but can still be a bit of fun if I'm in the right mood.

1 star = I haven't given any of these yet.  Just a bad album.  I just haven't been inspired to spend the time reviewing, let alone listen carefully enough to produce a thoughtful review, something I truly consider bad.


I pretty much agree with these, although my two star is a little harsher and my three star covers a broader basis from album I quite like, but are significantly flawed, to albums that are merely decent throughout.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 28 2012 at 08:40
Very cool thread.....
               My general rating system works like this..................as an example ;  an album featuring 8 cuts..........I rate each piece out of 5...............then, because the rate is out of 5, then, 8 tracks X 5 score = 40.  Then, the total track-by-track rating, divide by, in this case, 40, times 100 then gives me the percentage.  It is with this calculation I establish whether an album is 1 star (0-19), 2 stars (20-39), 3 stars (40-59), 4 stars (60-79) then 5 stars 80-100.  Sure, a masterpiece should end with 100%, but this is a damn near impossible thing.  Even on my favourite albums, I've never come across the entire track-list being all 5's in quality for each song..........It may be geeky, but this is how I rate my albums.........
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 28 2012 at 08:49
Seems to be a sensible system.  Quite different from mine which is more holistic, but I can definitely dig where you're coming from.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 28 2012 at 08:57
Originally posted by Tom Ozric Tom Ozric wrote:

Very cool thread.....
               My general rating system works like this..................as an example ;  an album featuring 8 cuts..........I rate each piece out of 5...............then, because the rate is out of 5, then, 8 tracks X 5 score = 40.  Then, the total track-by-track rating, divide by, in this case, 40, times 100 then gives me the percentage.  It is with this calculation I establish whether an album is 1 star (0-19), 2 stars (20-39), 3 stars (40-59), 4 stars (60-79) then 5 stars 80-100.  Sure, a masterpiece should end with 100%, but this is a damn near impossible thing.  Even on my favourite albums, I've never come across the entire track-list being all 5's in quality for each song..........It may be geeky, but this is how I rate my albums.........


For me, an album is more than the sum of its parts, and so I would never use a system similar to yours. For example, I rate 2112 as a five star album, even though no song on side two would get a five from me. If I used your system, 2112 would get about 67%. But I think the album as a whole is stronger than that despite the weakness of some of it's songs. The title track being so long and so good gives it more weight than a single five star song of say, 4 minutes on another album.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 28 2012 at 09:02
Every album I rate or think about rating, I feel has an accurate rating like 3.2 or 4.1, it's easier this way for me to explain myslef and to be exact. It's not only 5 levels of quality, every star is like an area of quality.
If I have to generalize it I'll say:

5+ is a rating I'll mention in my review it means not only is the album a masterpiece it's also reinventing the genre (reserved for a very few albums)
5 stars - Masterpiece, or no weak tracks.
4 stars - Very good album, or not all tracks are in the same quality but still enjoyable.
3 stars - Good album with some weak or forgettable tracks.
2 stars - An album with only few good tracks.
1 stars - A bad album, have no good tracks.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 28 2012 at 09:10
I end up putting a lot at 5 that would be 9/10 if the rating system was more fine grained.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 28 2012 at 09:22
Originally posted by thellama73 thellama73 wrote:

Originally posted by Tom Ozric Tom Ozric wrote:

Very cool thread.....
               My general rating system works like this..................as an example ;  an album featuring 8 cuts..........I rate each piece out of 5...............then, because the rate is out of 5, then, 8 tracks X 5 score = 40.  Then, the total track-by-track rating, divide by, in this case, 40, times 100 then gives me the percentage.  It is with this calculation I establish whether an album is 1 star (0-19), 2 stars (20-39), 3 stars (40-59), 4 stars (60-79) then 5 stars 80-100.  Sure, a masterpiece should end with 100%, but this is a damn near impossible thing.  Even on my favourite albums, I've never come across the entire track-list being all 5's in quality for each song..........It may be geeky, but this is how I rate my albums.........


For me, an album is more than the sum of its parts, and so I would never use a system similar to yours. For example, I rate 2112 as a five star album, even though no song on side two would get a five from me. If I used your system, 2112 would get about 67%. But I think the album as a whole is stronger than that despite the weakness of some of it's songs. The title track being so long and so good gives it more weight than a single five star song of say, 4 minutes on another album.
Right, when the album contains tracks of quite different lenghts you can not consider them with an equal weight. You could correct this by applying a weight based on each track lenght but I guess that's too arduous. I don't take rating so clinically.
 
Emotional factors also play a role for example albums which for any reason have a special place in your heart may get a higher rating than a clinical analysis would.
 
Or the context, for example if the album was particularly special for the timing of its release, how original or groundbreaking it was, it's a debut album or the 20th in a band's career...
 
Or the quality of a concept story, even the artwork and packaging can contribute. So many factors can play a role, I am not in favour of mathematical approaches, I just pick my rating from my overall general feeling.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 28 2012 at 09:41
5:  Incredible, like nothing I have ever heard before, can't stop listening to it
4:  Wonderful, enjoyed it very much,it's going to be in the playlist for a long time
3:   Pretty good, not something I can't do without...just meh
2:   Decent at best, pretty dull/weak, get it away
1:   Horrible, never ever gonna listen to this
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 28 2012 at 15:53
Originally posted by zravkapt zravkapt wrote:

Rating is overrated.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 28 2012 at 16:00
5 stars - Either its Close To The Edge or Red or its one of my favourite bands and I will give it top marks even though others think its a pile of ****
4 stars - Its not perfect (ie its not Close To Edge or Red) but its worth owning and taking seriously
3 stars - I'm bored and really can't be bothered to review it although I know its not bad
2 stars - currently the album has an average rating of 4.89 which is plain stupid. I will do something about that!
1 star - What is this band doing in the database anyway??
 
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