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progbethyname
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Posted: November 26 2012 at 18:27 |
Dean wrote:
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moshkito wrote:
All in all, DT deserves the credit for some musicianship, and if Mike was playing a violin or a flute, you would say that he is masterful, but because it is an electric guitar, we say stupid things about his playing!
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Sorry which Mike is playing an electric guitar in DT? |
Pedro has mixed up his Mike and John in Dream Theater for years, it is part of his charm  |
Well if mike was aging the flute/electric guitar and drums that would get my vote for masterful.
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Posted: November 27 2012 at 07:53 |
progbethyname wrote:
Dean wrote:
Gerinski wrote:
moshkito wrote:
All in all, DT deserves the credit for some musicianship, and if Mike was playing a violin or a flute, you would say that he is masterful, but because it is an electric guitar, we say stupid things about his playing!
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Sorry which Mike is playing an electric guitar in DT? |
Pedro has mixed up his Mike and John in Dream Theater for years, it is part of his charm  |
Well if mike was aging the flute/electric guitar and drums that would get my vote for masterful.  |
GGGGRRRRR!
Sorry ... John is the person I'm talking about. Mike I do not think is even close to a good drummer ... just a good showman ... and that does not necessarily a good drummer make!
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Posted: November 27 2012 at 08:19 |
No, Mike is a great drummer.
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Dean
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Posted: November 27 2012 at 08:22 |
Some say Mike is the (factually) greatest drummer.
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Snow Dog
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Posted: November 27 2012 at 08:27 |
Dean wrote:
Some say Mike is the (factually) greatest drummer. |
No that is Mangini. 
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Posted: November 27 2012 at 08:31 |
Snow Dog wrote:
Dean wrote:
Some say Mike is the (factually) greatest drummer. |
No that is Mangini.  |
Whose given name is? 
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Snow Dog
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Posted: November 27 2012 at 09:16 |
Dean wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:
Dean wrote:
Some say Mike is the (factually) greatest drummer. |
No that is Mangini.  |
Whose given name is?  |
I thought it was you that was confused because of the both drummers bearing the same forename.
Aaaaanyway. Portnoy is definitley one of my favourite drummers along with Palmer, Peart, Collins and many others. Too old to have one favourite or "the best".
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progbethyname
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Posted: November 27 2012 at 13:43 |
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Prog_Traveller
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Posted: November 27 2012 at 14:11 |
I know this is way way past where I should respond but I don't come on here that much.
Anyway, 90125 not a great album? Seriously? Are you guys really that prog snobby that you can't see how it's a really good pop rock album. I suppose Asia's debut is not very good either. People, people, just because something isn't 100 percent prog with mellotrons galore, time changes up the wazoo and ten minute long instrumental passages that doesn't mean it's crap.
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octopus-4
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Posted: November 27 2012 at 14:14 |
I think everybody knows since years on this site that I LOVE 90125
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Gerinski
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Posted: November 27 2012 at 14:43 |
I love 90125 and Asia debut, not ashamed of it.
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Prog_Traveller
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Posted: November 27 2012 at 23:11 |
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I love 90125 and Asia debut, not ashamed of it. |
Me neither but I think part of it is nostalgia for me since I was 12 when the first Asia came out(didn't hear it until later though) and 13 when 90125 came out(this one I did buy soon after it came out)and also because I was new to this stuff when these albums came out and didn't discover PROG(or prog)until later therefore had nothing to compare it too(same thing with 80's Genesis).
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twosteves
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Posted: November 27 2012 at 23:24 |
I like 90125 and Asia debut too--but good pop rock doesn't stand the test of time for me---verse, chorus, verse chorus--with catchy riffs---not something I can get into over time---real prog is more like good jazz or classical and I can listen to it anytime without thinking of the 1980's and the mess of music that decade created.
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Posted: November 27 2012 at 23:33 |
90125 was fun (despite that dreary cover), and was at the time one of the more interesting projects during the MTV era
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Posted: November 28 2012 at 02:02 |
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I enjoy the 13/8. It worked in GENESIS's TURN IT ON AGAIN. I danced to it at a wedding. Went over nicely. ;) |
I would have liked to have been at that wedding! 
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Aquiring the Taste
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Posted: November 28 2012 at 03:53 |
The songs were getting simpler in an attempt to grab a wider audience - though, as John Weathers admits, 'the died-in -the wool fans seemed to like if as intricate as possible.' It was a gamble that failed to pay off here as Genesis - the band so often racked alongside them in the shops - got the vote. 'It was going to be them or us - we were pulling the same size crowds in America and Britain, the same people were buying our records as theirs, and they cracked it because the went commercial about two years earlier.'
Of the five Giant members featured here, only Weathers - who replaced Dire Straits-bound Terry Williams on the drum stool for Man - is still on the road. Yet 'The Power and the Glory', a more rounded and consistent album than its predecessor if a degree or two less intricate, stands proudly in its own right as a rewarding piece of progressive rock from one of the genre's master groups.
- Michael Heatley. Many thanks for their assistance to John Weathers and Alan Kinsman.
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Dean
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Posted: November 28 2012 at 04:50 |
Aquiring the Taste wrote:
The songs were getting simpler in an attempt to grab a wider audience - though, as John Weathers admits, 'the died-in -the wool fans seemed to like if as intricate as possible.' It was a gamble that failed to pay off here as Genesis - the band so often racked alongside them in the shops - got the vote. 'It was going to be them or us - we were pulling the same size crowds in America and Britain, the same people were buying our records as theirs, and they cracked it because the went commercial about two years earlier.'
Of the five Giant members featured here, only Weathers - who replaced Dire Straits-bound Terry Williams on the drum stool for Man - is still on the road. Yet 'The Power and the Glory', a more rounded and consistent album than its predecessor if a degree or two less intricate, stands proudly in its own right as a rewarding piece of progressive rock from one of the genre's master groups.
- Michael Heatley. Many thanks for their assistance to John Weathers and Alan Kinsman. |
I either don't get this or I have misunderstood... The Power & The Glory was 1974 - which would make Foxtrot Genesis's "commercial" album - neither band went "pop" until much later.
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progbethyname
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Posted: November 28 2012 at 07:05 |
octopus-4 wrote:
I think everybody knows since years on this site that I LOVE 90125 |
Does that album have the track, LIFT ME UP on it?? Sorry, too lazy to remember or look it up. Lol. Anyway, I love that track by them. Big softy for that one. :)
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Posted: November 28 2012 at 07:12 |
^No. That is from Union
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progbethyname
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Posted: November 28 2012 at 07:18 |
AtomicCrimsonRush wrote:
progbethyname wrote:
I enjoy the 13/8. It worked in GENESIS's TURN IT ON AGAIN. I danced to it at a wedding. Went over nicely. ;) |
I would have liked to have been at that wedding!  |
Later on, I requested that the Bride and Groom slow Dance to GENESIS's AFTERGLOW. Again, went over nicely. ;)
Also, little seque here speaking of classic prog, I meant to ask you about the MAGMA box set. The 11 disc studio set. How much did you pay for it if you don't mind me asking? The cheapest I can find it is cdiscogs.com from a Russian seller at 258$(CAN)! I know the set came out in '08 so I'm a bit late, which i know will make it harder to obtain. If you have any thoughts or suggestions I'm all ears. Thank you, Scott.
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