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Fry them.  If Wallace had been president instead of Truman thing might have be different...


Edited by Slartibartfast - November 20 2012 at 13:34

I'd be perfectly fine with him running for president, but I think the Republican Party would have to change a lot within the next 4 years for their leadership to allow a guy like him to run. But I agree with most of everything he says.

Although to be fair, it's not really about him running for president in 2016. It's more about how he feels the Republican party needs to change.

Hence why I said I'd be shocked if he was. After all, look who he shares a last name with. 

^Agree with you 100% in both posts.

If someone breaks into my home to steal from me, I'm not going for "proportionate" force.  This is not an errant child to be disciplined.  No kid gloves. 

Slartibartfast wrote: thellama73 wrote: I don't buy into this notion that when fighting a war you should use exactly the necessary amount of force and no more. War is war. It is terrible and should be avoided at all costs, but once you're in one, you're in it to win it. Trying to be kind and gentle about it just leaves you with wars that go on forever. Burn everything, raze the countryside, leave no one alive. Finish it in a matter of days, not years. The notion that war is somehow less horrible when we do a half-assed job of it is silly. You forgot about raping the women, hanging civilians or shooting them in the head, burying them in pits... Perhaps torture first would be more to your satisfaction... Here's an odd idea, how about diplomacy? No wait murder, rape, and torture aren't good enough for you?  Maybe we could just be civilized while killing people?... Lllama, you are a douche...

That response was neither accurate nor respectable. 

sagichim wrote: Blacksword wrote: refugee wrote: http://www.jpost.com/Opinion/Op-EdContributors/Article.aspx?ID=292466&R=R1&utm_Quotes:We need to flatten entire neighborhoods in Gaza. Flatten all of Gaza. The Americans didn’t stop with Hiroshima – the Japanese weren’t surrendering fast enough, so they hit Nagasaki, too.There should be no electricity in Gaza, no gasoline or moving vehicles, nothing. Then they’d really call for a ceasefire. Sharon was interviewed on Channel 4 News in the UK last night, and he actually denied saying all that.. Even though he actually wrote the f***ing article! W&nker. I hope he takes a direct hit. The world could do with a few less people like this. His type are a signifcant part of the overall problem. Does this numbskull not realise that if Israel flattens Gaza, Israel would be attacked from all sides by it's Arab/Muslim neighbours, whose relatively co-operative secular leaderships, in most cases are being replaced with Islamic lunatics. Is Israel going to nuke all these people? I'll be curious to see what Russias reaction will be when hundrends of Russian scientists and engineers are killed by Israeli attacks on Iran. Good luck with one, Benny boy. I'll see you in hell.   Who the f**k cares about what Gilad Sharon is saying, he is just one man with an opinion (although some share this opinion). You don't have to relate to those sayings, relate to what is happening in real life. Hamas and the people voted for them are the ones who would like to flatten Israel and see massive casualties. You can hear it in their songs, anthems and in their children upbringing, something you won't find in the Israeli side.   The big majority here doesn't like to see gaza being flatten but no one will take constant bombing in this country.

Obviously significant numbers of people do care what Gilad Sharon says, or otherwise 'credible' news outlets wouldn't give him prime time air time to spew his bile.

That aside, of course Israel should not tolerate being attacked by Hamas, but you'd think with one of the most sophisticated intelligence services in the world they'd be even more 'surgical' about removing the militants from the strip. Presumably these people are in a minority in Gaza, although the current conditions are going to serve only to breed more hatred towards Israel and perpetuate the conflict, and ultimately potentially escalate it.

Ok, you live there but is it really a coincidence that Israel has been openly preparing to attack Iran, and Iran is known to be arming Hizbollah and IIRC Hamas too? The Iran connection is indirect, but it is there imo, and the timing of this current conflict, when the ME is in such a state - and the US elections are over - is significant.

The Doctor wrote: <----pro-Israel liberal.  While I don't think genocide and flattening neighborhoods is ever an appropriate response, and while Israel must share in some of the blame for what is happening over there, to say that Israel does not have the right to defend itself is ludicrous.  Of course they should defend its citizens, most of whom also happen to be innocents as well. I think it's very presumptuous of us to sit back and judge Israeli discussions of the appropriate response.  When we have bombs falling on us from a foreign enemy, then we can judge others' responses. So long as it doesn't rise to the level of genocidal warfare or war crimes (rape, torture, etc.), I think they have a right to defend themselves however they see fit.

Epignosis wrote: If someone breaks into my home to steal from me, I'm not going for "proportionate" force.  This is not an errant child to be disciplined.  No kid gloves.  Slartibartfast wrote: thellama73 wrote: I don't buy into this notion that when fighting a war you should use exactly the necessary amount of force and no more. War is war. It is terrible and should be avoided at all costs, but once you're in one, you're in it to win it. Trying to be kind and gentle about it just leaves you with wars that go on forever. Burn everything, raze the countryside, leave no one alive. Finish it in a matter of days, not years. The notion that war is somehow less horrible when we do a half-assed job of it is silly. You forgot about raping the women, hanging civilians or shooting them in the head, burying them in pits... Perhaps torture first would be more to your satisfaction... Here's an odd idea, how about diplomacy? No wait murder, rape, and torture aren't good enough for you?  Maybe we could just be civilized while killing people?... Lllama, you are a douche... That response was neither accurate nor respectable.

 

Slartibartfast wrote: thellama73 wrote: I don't buy into this notion that when fighting a war you should use exactly the necessary amount of force and no more. War is war. It is terrible and should be avoided at all costs, but once you're in one, you're in it to win it. Trying to be kind and gentle about it just leaves you with wars that go on forever. Burn everything, raze the countryside, leave no one alive. Finish it in a matter of days, not years. The notion that war is somehow less horrible when we do a half-assed job of it is silly. You forgot about raping the women, hanging civilians or shooting them in the head, burying them in pits... Perhaps torture first would be more to your satisfaction... Here's an odd idea, how about diplomacy? No wait murder, rape, and torture aren't good enough for you?  Maybe we could just be civilized while killing people?... Lllama, you are a douche...

Says the guy who defends the decision to literally flatten Hiroshima and Nagasaki....

Larry Hagman has passed away

Hagman had a wide eccentric streak. When he first met actress Lauren Bacall, he licked her arm because he had been told she did not like to be touched and he was known for leading parades on the Malibu beach and showing up at a grocery store in a gorilla suit. Above his Malibu home flew a flag with the credo "Vita Celebratio Est (Life Is a Celebration)" and he lived hard for many years.

In 1967, rock musician David Crosby turned him on to LSD, which Hagman said took away his fear of death, and Jack Nicholson introduced him to marijuana because Nicholson thought he was drinking too much.

Hagman had started drinking as a teenager and said he did not stop until the moment in 1992 when his doctor told him he had cirrhosis of the liver and could die within six months. Hagman wrote that for the past 15 years he had been drinking about four bottles of champagne a day, including while on the "Dallas" set.

Sounds like he had fun.  RIP


Edited by Finnforest - November 23 2012 at 23:36