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Epignosis
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Posted: November 12 2012 at 20:25 |
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
I would abolish ratings only.
Simples(er).
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I been a supporter of this radical option, but M@X wants them
So Dean's solution is the best IMO
Iván | Who is this M@X you speak of?
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Barbu
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Posted: November 12 2012 at 20:29 |
Epignosis wrote:
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
I would abolish ratings only.Simples(er).
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I been a supporter of this radical option, but M@X wants them So Dean's solution is the best IMO Iván | Who is this M@X you speak of? |
This one :
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Epignosis
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Posted: November 12 2012 at 20:38 |
Seriously, eliminate ratings only.
The "I can't speak English" facilitation argument has always been weak to me.
If this were a Spanish prog rock site, I would do my best to translate my reviews. I wouldn't waste my time with a rating when a review counts as ten or twenty times.
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timothy leary
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Posted: November 12 2012 at 20:59 |
So you write a review for the points it counts for?
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thellama73
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Posted: November 12 2012 at 21:04 |
timothy leary wrote:
So you write a review for the points it counts for? |
Getting points is the only way to win the game. How many points do you have? I bet I am beating you.
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timothy leary
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Posted: November 12 2012 at 21:06 |
Did not realize it was a game. You are winning cuz i am not playing.
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thellama73
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Posted: November 12 2012 at 21:19 |
timothy leary wrote:
Did not realize it was a game. You are winning cuz i am not playing. |
Yes! I win!
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Epignosis
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Posted: November 12 2012 at 21:26 |
timothy leary wrote:
So you write a review for the points it counts for? | All my reviews count the same.
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timothy leary
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Posted: November 12 2012 at 21:33 |
Not really an answer but you do write good reviews. Just wondering, some weighted reviews are hardly worth the extra points. Yours at least are worth the extra weight.
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Eetu Pellonpaa
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Posted: November 12 2012 at 21:50 |
thellama73 wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
I would abolish ratings only.
Simples(er).
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Second!
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Thirded from my part, I hope this possibly futile and here off-topic issue would have it's own discussion. Separation could be the first stage of eliminating the ratings, and later introducing capability to do a over 200 word review without rating. I understand why M@x could have opinion for reviews, as they give faster some sort of uncohesion for the albums (hey this is a masterpiece, uh this one with neat covers is only for fans duh), but I personally think a well written essay about the record gives more credit to both the album and and the page promoting it. However this is a fine place even as it is, but wihtout force majeur demands I hope it is ok to toss around ideas of people's personal future enhancement ideas possibly never happening? Great that the thread also served it's purpose and the person left is coming back
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: November 12 2012 at 22:01 |
Epignosis wrote:
Seriously, eliminate ratings only.
The "I can't speak English" facilitation argument has always been weak to me.
If this were a Spanish prog rock site, I would do my best to translate my reviews. I wouldn't waste my time with a rating when a review counts as ten or twenty times.
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I'm a Spanish speaker, it's hard for me to write in English, I have to use dictionary and synonym dictionary, plus wrrite it in word to avoid typos as possible,
timothy leary wrote:
So you write a review for the points it counts for? |
No, I write a review because it's the only useful way to act.
When I see a 5 or 1 stars rating I don't even know if the guy ever heard the album, or why he/she, likes/hates the album.
A review, even the worst helps me, if it's good I have an idea of the album, if I read a bad one, I know not to trust on it.
Iván
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Epignosis
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Posted: November 12 2012 at 22:06 |
timothy leary wrote:
Not really an answer but you do write good reviews. Just wondering, some weighted reviews are hardly worth the extra points. Yours at least are worth the extra weight. | Your question was an honest one though.
I write reviews because I like music and I like writing. But if there is a collective "number" applied to an album, I would want to have as much "clout" as possible.
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Epignosis
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Posted: November 12 2012 at 22:08 |
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
Seriously, eliminate ratings only.
The "I can't speak English" facilitation argument has always been weak to me.
If this were a Spanish prog rock site, I would do my best to translate my reviews. I wouldn't waste my time with a rating when a review counts as ten or twenty times.
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I'm a Spanish speaker, it's hard for me to write in English, I have to use dictionary and synonym dictionary, plus wrrite it in word to avoid typos as possible, | Yet here you are, a special collaborator.
If a person has something to say about an album, 100 words in English isn't hard to put together.
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: November 12 2012 at 22:12 |
Epignosis wrote:
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
Seriously, eliminate ratings only.
The "I can't speak English" facilitation argument has always been weak to me.
If this were a Spanish prog rock site, I would do my best to translate my reviews. I wouldn't waste my time with a rating when a review counts as ten or twenty times.
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I'm a Spanish speaker, it's hard for me to write in English, I have to use dictionary and synonym dictionary, plus wrrite it in word to avoid typos as possible, |
Yet here you are, a special collaborator.
If a person has something to say about an album, 100 words in English isn't hard to put together.
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That's my point, it's harder, but it's worth.
I never rate an album without a review, except with this absurd system with whichyou can rate by accident, and asked Dean or Angelo to delete this ones.
Iván
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NotAProghead
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Posted: November 13 2012 at 00:15 |
Epignosis wrote:
If a person has something to say about an album, 100 words in English isn't hard to put together. |
Who needs these 100 words about albums already reviewed to death?
I hope M@X is too busy to implement new features.
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Who are you and who am I to say we know the reason why... (D. Gilmour)
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Moogtron III
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Posted: November 13 2012 at 02:59 |
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AtomicCrimsonRush
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Posted: November 13 2012 at 04:08 |
Epignosis wrote:
Seriously, eliminate ratings only.
The "I can't speak English" facilitation argument has always been weak to me.
If this were a Spanish prog rock site, I would do my best to translate my reviews. I wouldn't waste my time with a rating when a review counts as ten or twenty times.
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i think if we took a vote we would be surprised at the amount of people around here wo are sick to the back teeth with ratings only. They are hard to remove if mistakenly clicked and really I could go off half cocked if i wanted and rate all the albums of Gnaw My Tongue 1 star if I felt the urge as I know I hate them without listening cos they are very dark black evil stuff, just look at those disgusting album covers. However I will never do that as its not fair. I just stay away from them as theres plenty of albums I WANT to hear. Same as if i was a fan boy I just give 5 star ratings to everything from Atomic Rooster Rush, Genesis, ELP, Hawkwind or King Crimson, but noone will ever know why I think they are worth 5 stars and no one will question it. Writing a review at least gives some creedence why the rating was deserved and it stops trolls who just want a quick fix to see our reactions. If they were forced to review they would perhaps give up, or if ratings had zero effect they would perhaps give up.
Their motive is simple - stir us up into taking action after we get upset at their behaviour. We feed the trolls with threads like this but what else can we do?
Ratings only with zero effect is the only option if we dont want to look like our ratings system cant be trusted. It can be trusted if pple can read our reviews and see for themselves. Reviews at least spark interest in checking out the album for ourselves, Ratings only is just a pain in the rear end.
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UMUR
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Posted: November 13 2012 at 05:01 |
^It´s Gnaw Their Tongues...and you are right, it´s dark and evil stuff alright . What you forgot to mention is how brilliantly well composed it is . But thanks for not giving 1 star ratings to something you obviously despise for all the wrong reasons.
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CCVP
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Posted: November 13 2012 at 05:15 |
Scott, if are supposed to rate "EVIL" bands with 1 star, why not start with the satanic ones, like Dodheimsgard and Deathspell Omega?
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UMUR
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Posted: November 13 2012 at 05:52 |
^Caio! The point is that Scott is not giving 1 star ratings to artists that he knows beforehand that he won´t like. And yeah I question his reasons for not liking artists like that, but that was more a provocation on my part because I felt provoked by his description of an artist that I greatly respect.
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