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You left a hint saying "fast cars" so a race-driver then?

@refugee: Yes, he died before 1990.

@Undercover Man: Yes, he was a race-driver for a while. Yet this is not the source of his fame. This bloke was multi-talented.

I used the wrong colour code to make the hint truly "invisible".

Wales was Wassily's 33rd successor.

Yes, European.

Descending from the fourth to the country of the fifth.

No, not from one of those countries.

Edit: After this post, the hints will be less cryptic.

A tribute to Liz and her auld mum, twenty-four years after the centennial.

Edited by someone_else - November 12 2012 at 09:30

No, not from Italy.

C stands for Cabernet, M for Merlot.

Yes, French.

Promotion at his 51st.

That's him! I give the explanations - and a correction - to the hints:

1. The animal appearing most often on the labels of Ch. Mouton-Rothschild.
2. He had been a Grand Prix-racer for a short while.
3. Premier ne puis, second ne daigne, Mouton ne change: the motto of Ch. Mouton-Rothschild.
4. A painting by Wassily Kandinsky (d. 1944) was used for the 1971 label; Charles, Prince of Wales, designed the 2004 label.
5. Philippe descended from Nathan Mayer Rothschild, the third son of Mayer Amschel (not the fourth, he was the 4th child - apologies), he came from France; the French branch was founded by Mayer's fifth son, Jacob "James"Mayer.
6. Refers to the 1977 label - the year in which Queen Elizabeth II reigned for 25 years.
7. 86% Cabernet Sauvignon + 3% Cabernet Franc + 14% Merlot = Ch. Mouton-Rothschild.
8. 1973 was Philippe's 51st vintage. In this year his wine became 1er Grand Cru Classé, the only modification in the 1855 Bordeaux wines classification. Apparently the Comte de Lur-Saluces, owner of Ch. d'Yquem, envied him.

Did he die before 1800?

Before 1500?

Before 1600?

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refugee Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Forum Senior Member VIP Member Joined: November 20 2006 Location: Greece Status: Offline Points: 7026	Posted: November 12 2012 at 06:33
	One last question about when he died: before 1990?
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Undercover Man Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Forum Senior Member Joined: August 28 2012 Location: Norway Status: Offline Points: 1872	Posted: November 12 2012 at 06:46
	You left a hint saying "fast cars" so a race-driver then?

refugee Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Forum Senior Member VIP Member Joined: November 20 2006 Location: Greece Status: Offline Points: 7026	Posted: November 12 2012 at 06:55
	He forgot to make that hint "invisible". The other hints so far are "Ram" and "Does not change".
	He say nothing is quite what it seems; I say nothing is nothing (Peter Hammill)

someone_else Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Forum Senior Member VIP Member Joined: May 02 2008 Location: Going Bananas Status: Offline Points: 24410	Posted: November 12 2012 at 07:28
	@refugee: Yes, he died before 1990. @Undercover Man: Yes, he was a race-driver for a while. Yet this is not the source of his fame. This bloke was multi-talented. I used the wrong colour code to make the hint truly "invisible". Wales was Wassily's 33rd successor.


refugee Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Forum Senior Member VIP Member Joined: November 20 2006 Location: Greece Status: Offline Points: 7026	Posted: November 12 2012 at 07:40
	European?
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someone_else Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Forum Senior Member VIP Member Joined: May 02 2008 Location: Going Bananas Status: Offline Points: 24410	Posted: November 12 2012 at 07:54
	Yes, European. Descending from the fourth to the country of the fifth.


refugee Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Forum Senior Member VIP Member Joined: November 20 2006 Location: Greece Status: Offline Points: 7026	Posted: November 12 2012 at 08:38
	Your hints lead me to Wales, Russia and Scotland. Did he come from one of those countries?
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someone_else Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Forum Senior Member VIP Member Joined: May 02 2008 Location: Going Bananas Status: Offline Points: 24410	Posted: November 12 2012 at 09:24
	No, not from one of those countries. Edit: After this post, the hints will be less cryptic. A tribute to Liz and her auld mum, twenty-four years after the centennial. Edited by someone_else - November 12 2012 at 09:30


refugee Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Forum Senior Member VIP Member Joined: November 20 2006 Location: Greece Status: Offline Points: 7026	Posted: November 12 2012 at 09:37
	Italian?
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someone_else Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Forum Senior Member VIP Member Joined: May 02 2008 Location: Going Bananas Status: Offline Points: 24410	Posted: November 12 2012 at 09:41
	No, not from Italy. C stands for Cabernet, M for Merlot.


refugee Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Forum Senior Member VIP Member Joined: November 20 2006 Location: Greece Status: Offline Points: 7026	Posted: November 12 2012 at 09:56
	Damn! Without checking all your hints, I thought it might have been Enzo Ferrari. Edit: I didn’t check your last hint before I posted. I change my question to French? Edited by refugee - November 12 2012 at 10:01
	He say nothing is quite what it seems; I say nothing is nothing (Peter Hammill)

someone_else Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Forum Senior Member VIP Member Joined: May 02 2008 Location: Going Bananas Status: Offline Points: 24410	Posted: November 12 2012 at 10:10
	Yes, French. Promotion at his 51st.


refugee Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Forum Senior Member VIP Member Joined: November 20 2006 Location: Greece Status: Offline Points: 7026	Posted: November 12 2012 at 10:59
	Georges Philippe de Rothschild?
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someone_else Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Forum Senior Member VIP Member Joined: May 02 2008 Location: Going Bananas Status: Offline Points: 24410	Posted: November 12 2012 at 16:21
	That's him! I give the explanations - and a correction - to the hints: 1. The animal appearing most often on the labels of Ch. Mouton-Rothschild. 2. He had been a Grand Prix-racer for a short while. 3. Premier ne puis, second ne daigne, Mouton ne change: the motto of Ch. Mouton-Rothschild. 4. A painting by Wassily Kandinsky (d. 1944) was used for the 1971 label; Charles, Prince of Wales, designed the 2004 label. 5. Philippe descended from Nathan Mayer Rothschild, the third son of Mayer Amschel (not the fourth, he was the 4th child - apologies), he came from France; the French branch was founded by Mayer's fifth son, Jacob "James"Mayer. 6. Refers to the 1977 label - the year in which Queen Elizabeth II reigned for 25 years. 7. 86% Cabernet Sauvignon + 3% Cabernet Franc + 14% Merlot = Ch. Mouton-Rothschild. 8. 1973 was Philippe's 51st vintage. In this year his wine became 1er Grand Cru Classé, the only modification in the 1855 Bordeaux wines classification. Apparently the Comte de Lur-Saluces, owner of Ch. d'Yquem, envied him.


refugee Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Forum Senior Member VIP Member Joined: November 20 2006 Location: Greece Status: Offline Points: 7026	Posted: November 13 2012 at 04:26
	Interesting person – and no giveaways in your hints! I see that I was right in thinking Kandinsky (hence my question about Russia). Another deceased male.
	He say nothing is quite what it seems; I say nothing is nothing (Peter Hammill)

someone_else Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Forum Senior Member VIP Member Joined: May 02 2008 Location: Going Bananas Status: Offline Points: 24410	Posted: November 13 2012 at 05:03
	Did he die before 1800?


refugee Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Forum Senior Member VIP Member Joined: November 20 2006 Location: Greece Status: Offline Points: 7026	Posted: November 13 2012 at 05:16
	Yes. Man
	He say nothing is quite what it seems; I say nothing is nothing (Peter Hammill)

someone_else Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Forum Senior Member VIP Member Joined: May 02 2008 Location: Going Bananas Status: Offline Points: 24410	Posted: November 13 2012 at 05:25
	Before 1500?


refugee Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Forum Senior Member VIP Member Joined: November 20 2006 Location: Greece Status: Offline Points: 7026	Posted: November 13 2012 at 05:33
	No. Yes
	He say nothing is quite what it seems; I say nothing is nothing (Peter Hammill)

someone_else Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Forum Senior Member VIP Member Joined: May 02 2008 Location: Going Bananas Status: Offline Points: 24410	Posted: November 13 2012 at 05:43
	Before 1600?