The future of the GOP

Maybe they could quit working so hard to defeat a president and work for the good of the country....

The short answer would be no. “The single most important thing we want to achieve is for President Obama to be a one-term president.” - Mitch McConnell.

Let's not forget this gem - "There are 47 percent of the people who will vote for the president no matter what. All right, there are 47 percent who are with him, who are dependent upon government, who believe that they are victims, who believe the government has a responsibility to care for them, who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing, to you-name-it -- that that's an entitlement. And the government should give it to them. And they will vote for this president no matter what. Mitt Romney.

Edited by Slartibartfast - November 11 2012 at 16:18

Slartibartfast wrote: The short answer would be no. “The single most important thing we want to achieve is for President Obama to be a one-term president.” - Mitch McConnell. Let's not forget this gem - "There are 47 percent of the people who will vote for the president no matter what. All right, there are 47 percent who are with him, who are dependent upon government, who believe that they are victims, who believe the government has a responsibility to care for them, who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing, to you-name-it -- that that's an entitlement. And the government should give it to them. And they will vote for this president no matter what. Mitt Romney.

If you believe that Barack Obama is bad for the country, as I do, than wanting to make him a one term president is working for the good of the country.

I don't see what the Romney quote has to do with "good of the country" discussion.

Epignosis wrote: The Doctor wrote: thellama73 wrote: Is it impossible for you to believe that they are working for the good of the country, but they just have a different idea of how to achieve the good than you do? I think some of the man-on-the-street Republicans, at least the more moderate ones, and also some of the Libertarian sect, do believe their beliefs are what's best for the country.  I have absolutely no such belief in the Republican politicians.  They have one goal: to give as much of the wealth and power in this country that they can to their corporate and wealthy buddies.  So "bailing out" the auto industry wasn't a favor to corporations and the wealthy?  Only buying customers will bail out any private industry.  Taxpayers can only provide a Band-Aid. Question to Democrats: Should the economy go south in the next four years, will you still blame Republicans?

Part of me hopes the House simply rubberstamps anything the president or the Senate sends them so that they cannot be blamed for being obstructionist when it doesn't work. Of course, they would probably be blamed anyway.

Epignosis wrote: The Doctor wrote: thellama73 wrote: Is it impossible for you to believe that they are working for the good of the country, but they just have a different idea of how to achieve the good than you do? I think some of the man-on-the-street Republicans, at least the more moderate ones, and also some of the Libertarian sect, do believe their beliefs are what's best for the country.  I have absolutely no such belief in the Republican politicians.  They have one goal: to give as much of the wealth and power in this country that they can to their corporate and wealthy buddies.  So "bailing out" the auto industry wasn't a favor to corporations and the wealthy?  Only buying customers will bail out any private industry.  Taxpayers can only provide a Band-Aid. Question to Democrats: Should the economy go south in the next four years, will you still blame Republicans?

I'm not saying the Dems don't do that too, only that the Republicans seem to exclusively push policies that will only help their rich brethren.  Dems at least do, or attempt to do, some good.

As for your final question, it would actually depend on the circumstances.  If the House refuses to implement any of the Democratic proposals as they've been doing, then yes, I will blame Republicans.  If the Dems keep pushing centrist policies which do nothing to help, then I will blame them.  My guess is there will be enough blame to go around as far as politicians go, but mostly I will blame greedy rich people and corporations. 

By the way Rob, I agree wholeheartedly with your "only buying customers" statement.  That's something I've been saying all along.  If you want economic prosperity, you need to put money in the hands of the middle class, not the rich corporations.


Edited by The Doctor - November 11 2012 at 18:54

Finnforest wrote: Yeah Logan, I've thought the same thing.  Step aside, and let them do anything they want.  Let them pass EVERYthing they want.  Zero obstruction.  Let them go all California on our ass.  Then we'll see in a few years if the public is truly in love with their economics.  I thinks it's pretty amusing watching all of the media proclaim conservatism dead.....we're talking about a 2% point victory here.  It's a loss, the Dems did a great job, but it's hardly the end of the story. Overreach Dems, I'm begging ya.....see if you're as immune to the pendulum as you think you are.

We don't think we're immune to the pendulum.  Far from it.  The pendulum's been stuck on right-wing for the past 30 years, even the Dems have gone all centrist.  I'm still waiting for the pendulum to swing back the other way.  The only thing this election did was keep the pendulum from moving even further to the right.

The Doctor wrote: Epignosis wrote: The Doctor wrote: thellama73 wrote: Is it impossible for you to believe that they are working for the good of the country, but they just have a different idea of how to achieve the good than you do? I think some of the man-on-the-street Republicans, at least the more moderate ones, and also some of the Libertarian sect, do believe their beliefs are what's best for the country.  I have absolutely no such belief in the Republican politicians.  They have one goal: to give as much of the wealth and power in this country that they can to their corporate and wealthy buddies.  So "bailing out" the auto industry wasn't a favor to corporations and the wealthy?  Only buying customers will bail out any private industry.  Taxpayers can only provide a Band-Aid. Question to Democrats: Should the economy go south in the next four years, will you still blame Republicans? I'm not saying the Dems don't do that too, only that the Republicans seem to exclusively push policies that will only help their rich brethren.  Dems at least do, or attempt to do, some good. As for your final question, it would actually depend on the circumstances.  If the House refuses to implement any of the Democratic proposals as they've been doing, then yes, I will blame Republicans.  If the Dems keep pushing centrist policies which do nothing to help, then I will blame them.  My guess is there will be enough blame to go around as far as politicians go, but mostly I will blame greedy rich people and corporations.

"Do good."

That's where the problem lies.  Chester, you want to take money from rich people and give to the poor.  You are Robin Hood with a Prius (?) instead of a bow and arrow.  

That you admit to blaming a portion of government for refusing to push through measures they disagree with means you do not believe in our form of government. 

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President Chester!  You have rid the country of greedy rich people and corporations!  What do you think of your economy and how do you build tax revenue?

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When the US cannot service the debt we have run up, will you blame the Republicans then too?


Edited by Epignosis - November 11 2012 at 19:03

Epignosis wrote: The Doctor wrote: Epignosis wrote: The Doctor wrote: thellama73 wrote: Is it impossible for you to believe that they are working for the good of the country, but they just have a different idea of how to achieve the good than you do? I think some of the man-on-the-street Republicans, at least the more moderate ones, and also some of the Libertarian sect, do believe their beliefs are what's best for the country.  I have absolutely no such belief in the Republican politicians.  They have one goal: to give as much of the wealth and power in this country that they can to their corporate and wealthy buddies.  So "bailing out" the auto industry wasn't a favor to corporations and the wealthy?  Only buying customers will bail out any private industry.  Taxpayers can only provide a Band-Aid. Question to Democrats: Should the economy go south in the next four years, will you still blame Republicans? I'm not saying the Dems don't do that too, only that the Republicans seem to exclusively push policies that will only help their rich brethren.  Dems at least do, or attempt to do, some good. As for your final question, it would actually depend on the circumstances.  If the House refuses to implement any of the Democratic proposals as they've been doing, then yes, I will blame Republicans.  If the Dems keep pushing centrist policies which do nothing to help, then I will blame them.  My guess is there will be enough blame to go around as far as politicians go, but mostly I will blame greedy rich people and corporations.  "Do good." That's where the problem lies.  Chester, you want to take money from rich people and give to the poor.  You are Robin Hood with a Prius (?) instead of a bow and arrow.   That you admit to blaming a portion of government for refusing to push through measures they disagree with means you do not believe in our form of government.  ++++ President Chester!  You have rid the country of greedy rich people and corporations!  What do you think of your economy and how do you build tax revenue? ++++ When the US cannot service the debt we have run up, will you blame the Republicans then too?

I'm more partial to Emperor Chester I, actually. 

You don't really believe in our form of government either.  You believe in almost no government.  Actually, I believe in an FDR style government, not the Reagan style of give more and more to the rich, and maybe just maybe the rich will trickle down some yellow on your head.  And you have just accused every Republican (man on the street) of not believing in our form of government for blaming Obama and Congressional Democrats for everything from the economic downturn to cancer and sunspots. 

I wouldn't get rid of corporations, I would merely turn them over to employee ownership.  I wouldn't get rid of rich people, I would just tax them at appropriate levels.  If they chose to leave, well, there would be a hefty exit tax. 

Thomas Sowell pointed out recently that "trickle down economics" is a straw man argument used by liberals and that no conservative really argues that simply giving money to the rich will cause it to trickle down to the poor.

The Doctor wrote: Oh and to your last question, yes I will, for giving everything away to the wealthy and corporations.  It wasn't until Reagan introduced his massive tax cuts for the wealthy and got us more heavily into military spending (which has been continued by both sides since, Democrat and Republican) that the debt became such an issue.  So there will be some blame for Democrats too, for not standing up to trickle down nonsense.

If the top 25% of income earners are paying 86% of the income tax and the bottom 47% of income earners are contributing no federal tax dollars (nay, they are getting a refund in the form of EITC and other credits), then how can you blame the wealthy for that?