Political discussion thread

Blacksword wrote: What would be the most effective way to roll out fascism without the people noticing, in this day and age? Very slowly, and under liberal left cover?

Very difficult to do. Fascism is characterized by extreme nationalism and social conservatism. Hitler was happy to slaughter all the gay men he could find. That is in large part the reason that Fascism is often considered the extreme right, though knowing particularly much about the ideology will quickly dispel any notion that it fits nicely anywhere within the left/right spectrum.

No party today represents anything particularly close to Fascism. The Left seeks equality where Fascists despise it. The Right seeks a capitalist system that the Fascist idealogy considers chaotic and disastrous.

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thellama73 wrote: I like like generally left-leaning bands inadvertently release a song with a conservative message, like "Mountain Woman" by the Kinks.

And "God save Donald Duck, Vaudeville, and Variety!"

or

"The good Lord made us all, and we are all God's children, and they've got no right to change us.  We've got to go back the way the good Lord made us" - a statement against transplants, apparently

I don't think I know Mountain Woman, where's that from?


Edited by HolyMoly - November 08 2012 at 13:41

Bet if Bush were President we'd be hearing a hell of a lot more outrage from the "peace-loving" left.

I see how Romney was a Neo-Con?
What makes Obama a Neo-con?

Gamemako wrote: Blacksword wrote: What would be the most effective way to roll out fascism without the people noticing, in this day and age? Very slowly, and under liberal left cover? Very difficult to do. Fascism is characterized by extreme nationalism and social conservatism. Hitler was happy to slaughter all the gay men he could find. That is in large part the reason that Fascism is often considered the extreme right, though knowing particularly much about the ideology will quickly dispel any notion that it fits nicely anywhere within the left/right spectrum. No party today represents anything particularly close to Fascism. The Left seeks equality where Fascists despise it. The Right seeks a capitalist system that the Fascist idealogy considers chaotic and disastrous.

Edited by kenethlevine - November 08 2012 at 20:10

"The best lack all conviction, while the worst are full of passionate intensity."   -- WB Yeats

Granted that was part of a poem written in the context of mid-20th Century war, but I think it still often applies.

http://soundcloud.com/mike-in-raleigh/lozing-his-election

Slartibartfast wrote: When the lie's so big And the fog gets so thick And the facts disappear The Republican Trick Can be played out again People, please tell me when We'll be rid of these men! - Frank Zappa

The planet of my dreams
The Earth, my Earth
I hear it's muffled screams
The Earth, my Earth
And though it often seems
From television beams
That ignorance is rampant there
And governmental goons don't care
I know that I shall not despair
And cheat like all the rest
I'll just keep on on with what I do my best   -Zappa (from memory, hope I got it right)

HackettFan wrote: manofmystery wrote: Imagine just how much would have come to light during the debates had there been at least one non-neocon allowed on stage.  I wager the republicans could certainly have won had they abandoned the ridiculous warmongering ways they adopted only a decade ago and have clearly run their party into the toilet. Are you talking about the Republican primary debates or the general election debates?