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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 07 2012 at 21:57
My idea of a civilized society is one which encourages individual achievement and self-sufficiency, not dependence on the state. Oh yeah, and one that doesn't sanction the slaughter of babies.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 07 2012 at 22:02
Originally posted by thellama73 thellama73 wrote:

My idea of a civilized society is one which encourages individual achievement and self-sufficiency, not dependence on the state. Oh yeah, and one that doesn't sanction the slaughter of babies.


Of course not, then where would the corporations get all their cheap labor from? Got to keep the population high to keep the workers cheap.  Wink
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 07 2012 at 22:09
Originally posted by The Doctor The Doctor wrote:

Originally posted by thellama73 thellama73 wrote:

My idea of a civilized society is one which encourages individual achievement and self-sufficiency, not dependence on the state. Oh yeah, and one that doesn't sanction the slaughter of babies.


Of course not, then where would the corporations get all their cheap labor from? Got to keep the population high to keep the workers cheap.  Wink


Asia?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 07 2012 at 22:15
Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

Originally posted by The Doctor The Doctor wrote:

Originally posted by thellama73 thellama73 wrote:

My idea of a civilized society is one which encourages individual achievement and self-sufficiency, not dependence on the state. Oh yeah, and one that doesn't sanction the slaughter of babies.


Of course not, then where would the corporations get all their cheap labor from? Got to keep the population high to keep the workers cheap.  Wink


Asia?


Sure.  But if we could only wipe out taxes and regulations and get the population high enough, the corporations would have their own third world country to exploit right here at home.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 07 2012 at 22:25
Your assumption that a high population translates into high levels of poverty is incorrect. Population growth is essential to a growing economy, because each person is then capable of producing something, as well as consuming the products produced by others. Population growth is good.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 07 2012 at 23:41
^ The Doctor's assumptions are always wrong, along with his understanding of reality.  Best to just enjoy a good laugh and move on.
 
Anyway, to topic:


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 08 2012 at 03:10
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Subject: What Should They Do Now

Bart
I have been watching the news and all the Pundits are asking what happened and what should the
Republicans do to fix their problem. Not one of them has spoke the truth on what they need to do.

Number 1 The Women of this country really don't like a bunch of old fat rich white guys telling them
what they can and can not do with there bodies. LISTEN to the women and stop doing that.

Number 2 You cant take away Health coverage for over 40 million Americans with pre existing conditions
then say they dont deserve to have insurance because the insurance companies arent making enough of a profit.
That really pisses people off.

Number 3 Stop the HATE    If your marriage is so fragile that people of the same sex who love each other
and deserve the same rights as every other citizen has, then you have a pretty sh*tty marriage. Divorce each other
and find happiness.

Number 4 Stop putting Corp. Profits over people   Nothing much to add to that.

Number 5 Whether You like it or not the country is changing there are more educated minorities and guess what:
They VOTE   Stop trying to send their parents back to a place where they can't live a healthy happy life with their
AMERICAN born children.

NUMBER 5 stop trying to force your religion down MY throat, I really dont care what You believe and quite honestly
I think that talking to zombies and ghosts is a little crazy.

Number 6 If You ever get the chance to govern again remember the 300 million people who You are charged
with Governing not the 1% that really dont care anything about You or Your loved ones. You're a pawn in their game
to get more wealth and power period nothing more nothing less.

Number 7 Learn to be gracious and caring. If the pundits would tell them this instead of making excuses for these
PIGS then maybe just maybe they will get the chance to govern again if they stay on the latest course then they
can kiss their GOP ass goodbye.
Geoff

Rush Limbaugh, Fox News. Wallow in it. Or how about a little Dana?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 08 2012 at 04:04
Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

None of this partisanship will matter.  The debt will ruin us and then there will be no social programs nor military funded.

I just wonder how liberals will blame (true) fiscal conservatives for the house of cards collapsing in our lifetime.


Gee, it's like you never talk about anything else. I will tell you something: Your fatalism is unwarranted. Yes, the debt is way too high, and yes, it needs to be reduced. But like with any problem, the more pressing it becomes, the more effort will be expended to solve it. The final result might not be nice, but I assure you that it will not involve the collapse of the US government.

Originally posted by thellama73 thellama73 wrote:

My idea of a civilized society is one which encourages individual achievement and self-sufficiency, not dependence on the state.

You're ignoring one fundamental truth: People want to depend on the state. They'd much rather give up a few liberties that they would have never benefited from in the first place than they would give up their safety. Neither ultimate freedom nor ultimate dependency result in ultimate happiness.

Originally posted by thellama73 thellama73 wrote:

Oh yeah, and one that doesn't sanction the slaughter of babies.

I'm all for the ban of late-term abortions. But calling the abortion of, say, a five-week-old fetus the "slaughtering" of a "baby" has little to do with reality.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 08 2012 at 04:23
What are the specific differences between Obama's stance on abortion and Romneys? I know what Romney has said, but had he won what would he have actually done about it??
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 08 2012 at 06:30
Originally posted by HarbouringTheSoul HarbouringTheSoul wrote:

Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

None of this partisanship will matter.  The debt will ruin us and then there will be no social programs nor military funded.

I just wonder how liberals will blame (true) fiscal conservatives for the house of cards collapsing in our lifetime.


Gee, it's like you never talk about anything else. I will tell you something: Your fatalism is unwarranted. Yes, the debt is way too high, and yes, it needs to be reduced. But like with any problem, the more pressing it becomes, the more effort will be expended to solve it. The final result might not be nice, but I assure you that it will not involve the collapse of the US government.


Even if our nation will exert more effort to solve problems as they become more severe, debt doesn't work that way, doesn't tolerate procrastination.  Eventually there will be a critical mass and then it will be beyond our power.  Eventually the staircase we are climbing becomes a sheer mountain.

The Democratic Party is so popular because it promises more cookies for everyone, even though the cookie jar is empty and we must borrow flour and sugar and eggs from the neighborhood. 
Obama's plan to "ask the rich to pay a little more" (now that's a nice way to put it!) misses the point, and I wish liberals would take note of this.  We are not redistributing wealth ("spreading the wealth around") as liberals would like to do.  That is because there is no wealth to redistribute.  Our mandatory spending consumes around 93% of our receipts.  Almost one hundred percent of federal departments and programs that fall under discretionary spending exist only because of borrowed funds, not tax revenue.

And when the sh*t hits the fan, it won't just be the US economy collapsing.  It will be a worldwide disaster.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 08 2012 at 06:31
Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:



Number 1 The Women of this country really don't like a bunch of old fat rich white guys telling them
what they can and can not do with there bodies. LISTEN to the women and stop doing that.


Ah, but political commentators can tell us what the women of this country want. 

Women can do what they want with their bodies.  They cannot do anything they like to someone else's.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 08 2012 at 08:24
Originally posted by HarbouringTheSoul HarbouringTheSoul wrote:

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Originally posted by thellama73 thellama73 wrote:

My idea of a civilized society is one which encourages individual achievement and self-sufficiency, not dependence on the state.

You're ignoring one fundamental truth: People want to depend on the state.

People like blood-sports too. That doesn't make them civilized.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 08 2012 at 15:00
Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

Come on now you can go smoke weed. Your state has really advanced.

Facetiousness  aside, the majority of people who voted against I-502 had a High school diploma or less, while the majority of those who voted for it had a High school diploma or a higher degree. I truly believe that I-502 is progress, just like the twenty-first amendment was progress.

Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

Women can do what they want with their bodies.  They cannot do anything they like to someone else's.

If you consider a fetus to be "someone else" then you are wrong. Women who are pregnant can legally drink alcohol or smoke tobacco, they are just advised not to. Both activities will negatively affect the child, but no one can stop them from participating in those harmful activities. If you want to abolish abortion, then you may as well try to make it illegal for pregnant woman to consume/do anything that could harm the fetus/person/child/whatever. Hell make it illegal for people who have genetic ailments that will be passed on to their offspring to conceive.

Now all scoffing aside, the GOP shouldn't reform their beliefs to conform to current stereotypes. Their is nothing wrong with voicing your opinion, even if the majority doesn't agree with you.The GOP should realize that their morals and values differ from the majority, and should ride their elephants to martyrdom with their heads held high. The one thing I can respect about republicans is that they stand up for what they believe, no matter how unpopular. Sure, this attitude wouldn't be conducive to winning elections, but they already ain't doing much of that.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 08 2012 at 15:01
Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:


Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:


Number 1 The Women of this country really don't like a bunch of old fat rich white guys telling them
what they can and can not do with there bodies. LISTEN to the women and stop doing that.
Ah, but political commentators can tell us what the women of this country want.  Women can do what they want with their bodies.  They cannot do anything they like to someone else's.

The rapey comments sunk Morlock and Aching.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 08 2012 at 15:10
Originally posted by zachfive zachfive wrote:

Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

Come on now you can go smoke weed. Your state has really advanced.

Facetiousness  aside, the majority of people who voted against I-502 had a High school diploma or less, while the majority of those who voted for it had a High school diploma or a higher degree. I truly believe that I-502 is progress, just like the twenty-first amendment was progress.

Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

Women can do what they want with their bodies.  They cannot do anything they like to someone else's.

If you consider a fetus to be "someone else" then you are wrong. Women who are pregnant can legally drink alcohol or smoke tobacco, they are just advised not to. Both activities will negatively affect the child, but no one can stop them from participating in those harmful activities. If you want to abolish abortion, then you may as well try to make it illegal for pregnant woman to consume/do anything that could harm the fetus/person/child/whatever. Hell make it illegal for people who have genetic ailments that will be passed on to their offspring to conceive.

Now all scoffing aside, the GOP shouldn't reform their beliefs to conform to current stereotypes. Their is nothing wrong with voicing your opinion, even if the majority doesn't agree with you.The GOP should realize that their morals and values differ from the majority, and should ride their elephants to martyrdom with their heads held high. The one thing I can respect about republicans is that they stand up for what they believe, no matter how unpopular. Sure, this attitude wouldn't be conducive to winning elections, but they already ain't doing much of that.
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 08 2012 at 15:31
"Come on now you can go smoke weed. Your state has really advanced."

Yes it has advanced and it is saying something which the rest of the country is also behind. Time to decriminalize marijuana. Quit ruining young lives with severe penalties. Let's think about this......what is worse for a young life, smoking marijuana or prison/criminal record?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 08 2012 at 15:55
Originally posted by zachfive zachfive wrote:


If you consider a fetus to be "someone else" then you are wrong. Women who are pregnant can legally drink alcohol or smoke tobacco, they are just advised not to. Both activities will negatively affect the child, but no one can stop them from participating in those harmful activities. If you want to abolish abortion, then you may as well try to make it illegal for pregnant woman to consume/do anything that could harm the fetus/person/child/whatever. Hell make it illegal for people who have genetic ailments that will be passed on to their offspring to conceive.


Are you sure you wish to plumb the depths of my consistency?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 08 2012 at 15:55
I just don't know what the GOP is going to do in Obama's hellish 2016 nightmare. Damn shame they didn't get the John Carpenter's They Live vision of the future...

Anyway, as to their future, I'm thinking Whigs.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 08 2012 at 16:05
Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:

I just don't know what the GOP is going to do in Obama's hellish 2016 nightmare. Damn shame they didn't get the John Carpenter's They Live vision of the future...

Anyway, as to their future, I'm thinking Whigs.
 
We're all going to be forced to become gay, muslim, zombie socialists.  AAAAAYYYYYYYYYYY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Shocked
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 08 2012 at 16:07
Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

Originally posted by HarbouringTheSoul HarbouringTheSoul wrote:

Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

None of this partisanship will matter.  The debt will ruin us and then there will be no social programs nor military funded.

I just wonder how liberals will blame (true) fiscal conservatives for the house of cards collapsing in our lifetime.


Gee, it's like you never talk about anything else. I will tell you something: Your fatalism is unwarranted. Yes, the debt is way too high, and yes, it needs to be reduced. But like with any problem, the more pressing it becomes, the more effort will be expended to solve it. The final result might not be nice, but I assure you that it will not involve the collapse of the US government.


Even if our nation will exert more effort to solve problems as they become more severe, debt doesn't work that way, doesn't tolerate procrastination.  Eventually there will be a critical mass and then it will be beyond our power.  Eventually the staircase we are climbing becomes a sheer mountain.

The Democratic Party is so popular because it promises more cookies for everyone, even though the cookie jar is empty and we must borrow flour and sugar and eggs from the neighborhood. 
Obama's plan to "ask the rich to pay a little more" (now that's a nice way to put it!) misses the point, and I wish liberals would take note of this.  We are not redistributing wealth ("spreading the wealth around") as liberals would like to do.  That is because there is no wealth to redistribute.  Our mandatory spending consumes around 93% of our receipts.  Almost one hundred percent of federal departments and programs that fall under discretionary spending exist only because of borrowed funds, not tax revenue.

And when the sh*t hits the fan, it won't just be the US economy collapsing.  It will be a worldwide disaster.

 
Somebody should tell that to all the multi-billionaires out there.  Somehow they're doing pretty well for there being NO wealth to redistribute. 
I can understand your anger at me, but what did the horse I rode in on ever do to you?
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