Epignosis wrote: There's a recent Steven Wilson title that shall apply to our country.

hahah

I must admit this is astirring speech and very well thought out

AtomicCrimsonRush wrote: I must admit this is astirring speech and very well thought out http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-11-07/obama-chicago-victory-speech/4359388 Obama really touched many here as he focusses on the microscopic the average citizen rather than the macroscopic.

He is inspirational. Living in a solidly red state, I have witnessed some genuine despair today, both in person and on social networks, and I wish so much time had not been spent on demonizing. That is my greatest hope from this election: that maybe - just maybe - the Republican party will do some soul searching and maybe they will come to the conclusion that fear and hate is not the way to go, and maybe next election we won't have so many people angry with each other because of which political side they fall on. That is my prayer - that the wounds of partisanship would heal.

Barack Obama Wins a Second Term.  Now What?

Edited by manofmystery - November 07 2012 at 11:42

Finnforest wrote: dtguitarfan wrote: AtomicCrimsonRush wrote: I must admit this is astirring speech and very well thought out http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-11-07/obama-chicago-victory-speech/4359388 Obama really touched many here as he focusses on the microscopic the average citizen rather than the macroscopic.  He is inspirational. Living in a solidly red state, I have witnessed some genuine despair today, both in person and on social networks, and I wish so much time had not been spent on demonizing. That is my greatest hope from this election: that maybe - just maybe - the Republican party will do some soul searching and maybe they will come to the conclusion that fear and hate is not the way to go, and maybe next election we won't have so many people angry with each other because of which political side they fall on. That is my prayer - that the wounds of partisanship would heal. The Repub party peddles no more "fear and hate" than your own camp does.  You just choose to ignore it, and like many (not all) liberals, you demonize even as you decry tone.

100% true Jim.

The T wrote: Finnforest wrote: dtguitarfan wrote: AtomicCrimsonRush wrote: I must admit this is astirring speech and very well thought out http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-11-07/obama-chicago-victory-speech/4359388 Obama really touched many here as he focusses on the microscopic the average citizen rather than the macroscopic.  He is inspirational. Living in a solidly red state, I have witnessed some genuine despair today, both in person and on social networks, and I wish so much time had not been spent on demonizing. That is my greatest hope from this election: that maybe - just maybe - the Republican party will do some soul searching and maybe they will come to the conclusion that fear and hate is not the way to go, and maybe next election we won't have so many people angry with each other because of which political side they fall on. That is my prayer - that the wounds of partisanship would heal. The Repub party peddles no more "fear and hate" than your own camp does.  You just choose to ignore it, and like many (not all) liberals, you demonize even as you decry tone.   100% true Jim.

It's worse than that, he's dead, Jim.

thellama73 wrote: It drives me crazy when  side that win suddenly pretends to be all concerned about bringing people together. "Now that the election is over, we need to put aside our differences and come together to solve problems" Translation: abandon your principles and do whatever our candidate wants because we won and you lost, nyah nyah!

Right, and let's not forget, this was a measly 2% victory.  No matter how big the electoral number looks, the fact is that the public was divided by 50-48%.    That's a win, no doubt, but it's not exactly a huge vote of confidence that the media is already rejoicing. 

What makes me sad is that unlike many Libertarians here who I really respect, I do believe Romney would have been a better leader.  I think he's a good guy at heart and I think we lost a chance to restore something missing in this country-but I'm not getting into that.  I think the biggest loser was the media who have now ceded any semblance of objectivity, and the biggest winner Marco Rubio, who will be courted by a party who knows they have to embrace his more moderate immigration view. 

The Repubs also have to figure out how to counter a party that promises goodies to everyone, goodies we really can't afford to promise, without looking like the Grinch.  They need to mend fences with Libertarians if they are to survive.  I'm not sure if that is possible but if Libertarians and traditional Republicans cannot work together, then both will get the leadership they deserve and our decline will continue. 

Dean wrote: Socialism?

No thank you, I'll just have a coffee.

smartpatrol wrote: Dean wrote: smartpatrol wrote: manofmystery wrote: Barack Obama Wins a Second Term.  Now What? 4 years of civil liberties (), socialism (), and bad foreign policy (). Socialism? what about it?

Quite.