Political discussion thread

I'm about 90% sure I'll vote for Bama, but maybe I'll have a last minute Johnson urge (yes like that kind).

King of Loss wrote: I'm predicting that the stock market will crash if Obama is elected and rally if Romney is elected.

Because that's how king stupid the market system is. If "wall street" didn't keep second-guessing the flickin' economy we wouldn't be in this mess.

Epignosis wrote: HarbouringTheSoul wrote: Epignosis wrote: I don't think the government has any place telling us what is or isn't a marriage. How is the government supposed to grant all those marriage benefits without defining what is or isn't a marriage? They should not be granting benefits for marriage at all.

Let me pick out just one from this list. "Making medical decisions for your spouse if he or she becomes incapacitated and unable to express wishes for treatment." You don't think married couples should be granted that benefit?

thellama73 wrote: Money is nothing more than a measure of how much someone has produced that other people value. Those that produce things that benefit the most people, have the most money.

This is true for entrepreneurs, but not necessarily for anyone else. People who inherit their money haven't produced anything of value to get it. And if you're on a salary, the money you earn doesn't have anything to do with how much of value you have produced, it has to do with how much your boss is willing to pay you.

thellama73 wrote: Why is it unfair that they also get the best medical care, since they have done the most for others? Wal-Mart has made life better for many times more people than Mother Theresa ever did. Bill Gates and Steve Jobs did more to make the world a better place than Gandhi (whom I hate, but that's another topic for later.)

Because what this implies is that the health and even life of some people is worth more than that of others.

thellama73 wrote: The fact that money has value and can be used for things like good medical care gives people a stronger reason to make more money, and you can only make more money by doing something useful that people want to pay you for.

Then how come socio-economic mobility is lower in the US than in many purportedly 'socialist' European countries?


Edited by HarbouringTheSoul - November 06 2012 at 03:16

King of Loss wrote: Dean wrote: King of Loss wrote: I'm predicting that the stock market will crash if Obama is elected and rally if Romney is elected. Because that's how king stupid the market system is. If "wall street" didn't keep second-guessing the flickin' economy we wouldn't be in this mess. So you agree with George Soros?

I'm sure I've heard somewhere that Soros has been purchasing sh*t loads of gold in the last year or so.

About 12 months ago I saw him interveiewed saying that he thought it may be time for a new reserve currency backed by a basket of currencies, oil and precious metals.

Just wondering what others' thoughts are on this. It seems to me, and this is one of the reasons I'm so disgusted with the Republican party these days (one of, note), that as a whole, the Republican party is more judgmental and more fearful. When I say fearful, I'm talking about conspiracy theories that have no basis in reality (Obama is a Kenyan Muslim Terrorist, for example). But I base this on nothing else but what I have observed, personally. What do you think?
I also think that the leaders of the Republican party join in this judgmental and fearful attitude more often than the Democrats. But once again, 100% based on personal observations.

An example of this played out - I read an article the other day about stock trends and presidents, and how the stock market often dips when a Republican President is replaced by a Democrat. This seems ridiculous to me, especially considering the economy was strongest during a recent Democrat President, but then I remember all the fear and Armageddon predictions I've heard from Republican friends of mine (if you elect Obama, he's going to outlaw cars!).

dtguitarfan wrote: (um, the acts of few are not definitive of the whole)

I think you just answered yourself.

dtguitarfan wrote: Now, I know many Democrats think Republicans are all evil as well, but I have never actually seen chain letters or newsletters making ridiculous claims like those above coming from that side of things.

Maybe Democrats don't know how to write? 


Edited by Epignosis - November 06 2012 at 07:33

No matter what candidate, I predict a civil war by the end of 2014. The nation will be devised into several new nations, all in violent wars with each other until we all die in a fiery Armageddon triggered by the economy collapsing, civil liberties taken away, and increasing climate change. 

HarbouringTheSoul wrote: thellama73 wrote: Money is nothing more than a measure of how much someone has produced that other people value. Those that produce things that benefit the most people, have the most money. This is true for entrepreneurs, but not necessarily for anyone else. People who inherit their money haven't produced anything of value to get it. And if you're on a salary, the money you earn doesn't have anything to do with how much of value you have produced, it has to do with how much your boss is willing to pay you.

And how do you think your boss decides how much to pay you? It is not based on whim, but based on the value he believes you bring to the companies. Companies cannot afford to pay people more than they produce. If they did, they would go out of business.

HarbouringTheSoul wrote: thellama73 wrote: Why is it unfair that they also get the best medical care, since they have done the most for others? Wal-Mart has made life better for many times more people than Mother Theresa ever did. Bill Gates and Steve Jobs did more to make the world a better place than Gandhi (whom I hate, but that's another topic for later.) Because what this implies is that the health and even life of some people is worth more than that of others.

No it doesn't. It implies that some types medical care (not synonymous with health or life) are worth more than others.

smartpatrol wrote: I wish I could vote :(

Two more election cycles and you can spit in the ocean with the rest of us.

dtguitarfan wrote: Just wondering what others' thoughts are on this. It seems to me, and this is one of the reasons I'm so disgusted with the Republican party these days (one of, note), that as a whole, the Republican party is more judgmental and more fearful. When I say fearful, I'm talking about conspiracy theories that have no basis in reality (Obama is a Kenyan Muslim Terrorist, for example). But I base this on nothing else but what I have observed, personally. What do you think? I also think that the leaders of the Republican party join in this judgmental and fearful attitude more often than the Democrats. But once again, 100% based on personal observations. An example of this played out - I read an article the other day about stock trends and presidents, and how the stock market often dips when a Republican President is replaced by a Democrat. This seems ridiculous to me, especially considering the economy was strongest during a recent Democrat President, but then I remember all the fear and Armageddon predictions I've heard from Republican friends of mine (if you elect Obama, he's going to outlaw cars!).

I'm guessing there are more devout Christians among republican supporters. They are more likely to believe in end times scenarios, if they are already predisposed to believing in something that can't be scientifically substantiated. End times prophecies actually work quite well for politicians, because the more people who can be pursuaded that the world is going to end whenever, the more people you have with a nihilistic view of the world, and a sense of resignation; that they can't effect change on anything.

I like to sit outside the left/right thing, because I see it as a means of dividing people who should really be pulling together and standing up to government in order to make it serve the people, not the other way round.

If you take a step back you'll see that the liberals actually push their own scaremongering ideas, and their own dubious racially motivated agenda's, but unlike their conservative counterparts, who are generally too witless to disguise their feelings, clever liberals disguise it as humour and irony. I can't post Youtube clips from work, but just look up Bill Maher and Michael Moore's recent anti Romney messages. There are clips of pensioners in care hoes saying they're gonna to rip Romneys testicles off if he wins. Bill Maher jokes that if you're white and you vote Romney "The black guys know who you are and where you live, and they'll get you" It's disgusting really, but liberals like this get away with it, because they do it with a sardonic smile, but you know theit vitreol is very real. Try and tweet what you're going to do to Obama if he wins, and see how quick the FBI come knocking at your door.