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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 05 2012 at 20:50
Originally posted by King of Loss King of Loss wrote:

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Originally posted by King of Loss King of Loss wrote:

Originally posted by smartpatrol smartpatrol wrote:

I'm talking about the Stien-Johnson debate

Oh sorry, my mistake! I think that it's great that they're going to the extremes, even though Stein is slightly left of center in ideology.


I find Stien to be pretty left whereas I find Johnson (my favorite candidate) to be more of Center-Right

Not on economics. Stein reminds of a stereotypical Green Social democrat that I see on my alumni's campus. Johnson is similar to Milton Friedman's economic policies. Both are center left on social issues.


Out of curiosity, what would you consider to be far left? I consider Steins "free higher education for everyone!" position pretty far left. If you don't, what would it take to get you to call someone far left?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 05 2012 at 20:50
Originally posted by thellama73 thellama73 wrote:

Originally posted by Finnforest Finnforest wrote:

Let's say it is effective in that regard.  How do you counter the ethical dilemma that people with money would get the transplant more quickly than the poor who may die while waiting for a donor?   And I guess this is off topic, probably  more for the Libert thread. 



Still think Obama, Logan?


Yeah, I still expect him to win.

I would respond to your question in two ways. First, there's nothing to stop anyone from donating a kidney with the stipulation that it be given to a poor person.

Second, I would ask, if we can save the lives of five rich guys by charging for kidneys, and save the lives of only two poor guys by imposing the price ceiling, which is preferable? I would personally prefer to save more lives, regardless of income.

I'm mystified by this idea so many people seem to have that money should not confer advantages. "Oh sure," they say "it's fine for rich people to get nicer cars and bigger televisions, but if they get anything meaningful out of their wealth it's unfair."

Money is nothing more than a measure of how much someone has produced that other people value. Those that produce things that benefit the most people, have the most money. Why is it unfair that they also get the best medical care, since they have done the most for others? Wal-Mart has made life better for many times more people than Mother Theresa ever did. Bill Gates and Steve Jobs did more to make the world a better place than Gandhi (whom I hate, but that's another topic for later.)

The fact that money has value and can be used for things like good medical care gives people a stronger reason to make more money, and you can only make more money by doing something useful that people want to pay you for.

Couldn't agree with this statement anymore than you put out more and I hope those posters read more about Gandhi and Mother Theresa then label them as "humanitarians".
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 05 2012 at 20:51
Originally posted by thellama73 thellama73 wrote:

Originally posted by King of Loss King of Loss wrote:

Originally posted by smartpatrol smartpatrol wrote:

Originally posted by King of Loss King of Loss wrote:

Originally posted by smartpatrol smartpatrol wrote:

I'm talking about the Stien-Johnson debate

Oh sorry, my mistake! I think that it's great that they're going to the extremes, even though Stein is slightly left of center in ideology.


I find Stien to be pretty left whereas I find Johnson (my favorite candidate) to be more of Center-Right

Not on economics. Stein reminds of a stereotypical Green Social democrat that I see on my alumni's campus. Johnson is similar to Milton Friedman's economic policies. Both are center left on social issues.


Out of curiosity, what would you consider to be far left? I consider Steins "free higher education for everyone!" position pretty far left. If you don't, what would it take to get you to call someone far left?

She's not left of Trotsky that's for sure.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 05 2012 at 20:51
Originally posted by King of Loss King of Loss wrote:

Originally posted by smartpatrol smartpatrol wrote:

Originally posted by King of Loss King of Loss wrote:

Originally posted by smartpatrol smartpatrol wrote:

I'm talking about the Stien-Johnson debate

Oh sorry, my mistake! I think that it's great that they're going to the extremes, even though Stein is slightly left of center in ideology.


I find Stien to be pretty left whereas I find Johnson (my favorite candidate) to be more of Center-Right

Not on economics. Stein reminds of a stereotypical Green Social democrat that I see on my alumni's campus. Johnson is similar to Milton Friedman's economic policies. Both are center left on social issues.


True, but overall, Left and Center, respectively, at least how I see it
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 05 2012 at 20:53
Originally posted by smartpatrol smartpatrol wrote:

Originally posted by King of Loss King of Loss wrote:

Originally posted by smartpatrol smartpatrol wrote:

Originally posted by King of Loss King of Loss wrote:

Originally posted by smartpatrol smartpatrol wrote:

I'm talking about the Stien-Johnson debate

Oh sorry, my mistake! I think that it's great that they're going to the extremes, even though Stein is slightly left of center in ideology.


I find Stien to be pretty left whereas I find Johnson (my favorite candidate) to be more of Center-Right

Not on economics. Stein reminds of a stereotypical Green Social democrat that I see on my alumni's campus. Johnson is similar to Milton Friedman's economic policies. Both are center left on social issues.


True, but overall, Left and Center, respectively, at least how I see it

No, Johnson reminds me of some of my uncle's friends in Hong Kong when they're doing their political stumps about getting rid of the minimum wage, free trade, no taxes, etc..,
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 05 2012 at 21:11
There is no left to right spectrum, that's just a tool to get people onto "teams".  The true political spectrum has anarchy on one end and totalitarianism on the other.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 05 2012 at 21:12
Originally posted by King of Loss King of Loss wrote:

She's not left of Trotsky that's for sure.


And Paul Ryan is not right of Mussolini, but everyone calls him far right.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 05 2012 at 21:14
Originally posted by thellama73 thellama73 wrote:

Originally posted by King of Loss King of Loss wrote:

She's not left of Trotsky that's for sure.


And Paul Ryan is not right of Mussolini, but everyone calls him far right.

They're delusional. Obama is more similar to Mussolini than Paul Ryan is.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 05 2012 at 21:32
Pretty good debate. The more I hear from/about Johnson, the more I'm in favor of him. I really like the guy; he's smart and has some great policies. Stien is pretty good, but too Left-wing for my tastes. Moderation was much better than the last third-party debate.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 05 2012 at 21:52
Corporatist Party: Obamney/Ryden

One last shot before I go to bedLOL
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 05 2012 at 21:53
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One last shot before I go to bedLOL


What are you drinking shots of? Can I have one?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 05 2012 at 21:56
Photo of the Day


LOL

Have fun tomorrow all....might be a late night!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 05 2012 at 22:00
I saw a Romney one at the store. lol
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 05 2012 at 22:05
I'm sure that would make babies cry too^
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 05 2012 at 22:11
I'm in between tomorrow night being down to 2 possibilities:

1) About 24 hours from now, the election will be too close to call, and we won't be any closer to knowing who won.

2) Romney wins in a landslide. Although since that article, they've updated it to Romney getting 333 electoral votes (or was it 330?) instead of the original 320.

Nevermind, it is indeed 330.

And while both professors point out the potential flaws in their polling, they haven't been wrong since 1980, so they might be on to something.

That being said, I'm still voting for Johnson tomorrow. Kentucky is a state that is as red as can be, so I might as well vote for the person I feel the most principled about.

Edit: The most interesting aspect of the model to me is that Romney wins every state that is currently viewed as a "swing" state.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 05 2012 at 22:17
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Last pitch from our big guy........kids on abortion.




What a deplorable (and incredibly ironic) ad.


Agreed.  That was disgusting.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 05 2012 at 22:54
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One last shot before I go to bedLOL


What are you drinking shots of? Can I have one?


Double shot of liberty and peace? Wink


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 05 2012 at 23:13
Originally posted by JJLehto JJLehto wrote:

Originally posted by thellama73 thellama73 wrote:

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One last shot before I go to bedLOL


What are you drinking shots of? Can I have one?


Double shot of liberty and peace? Wink




Where did you find Gary Johnson juice? Do they sell it somewhere?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 05 2012 at 23:24
Originally posted by smartpatrol smartpatrol wrote:

Originally posted by JJLehto JJLehto wrote:

Originally posted by thellama73 thellama73 wrote:

Originally posted by JJLehto JJLehto wrote:


One last shot before I go to bedLOL


What are you drinking shots of? Can I have one?


Double shot of liberty and peace? Wink




Where did you find Gary Johnson juice? Do they sell it somewhere?

You can get it at NeverGonnaHappen-Mart.
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