Star Wars Ep. 7 coming in 2015

This is going to even more kiddy than Episode 2 with Jar Jar me so binks

Have you ever started up and flew, exceptionally, a small spaceship? And for him to be so exceptionally proficient with it, even if he's gifted with technology, seems terribly silly.

I'm one of those rare people that thought the first 3 episodes were fine.
Maybe because I just took em as is (which oddly I can do with movies not music) anywho... this just doesn't feel like a good idea

thellama73 wrote: The Doctor wrote: Jar Jar Binks is the bogeyman that PT-haters love to bring up as an example of why the PT is so awful (that's usually the only thing they bring up though because they can't think of any other good reasons to hate the PT), but obviously the OT-lovers have very short memories, because they seem to forget about the fact that a good third of Jedi was spent dealing with those idiotic Ewoks.  I'm not saying Jar Jar was the greatest creation ever, but the Ewoks are at least as annoying.  As for artistic merit, yes there were some fantastic achievements in special effects in the OT, but for story and character development, the PT was light years ahead of the OT. As usual, Doctor, we are on quite opposite sides of this issue. Top Ten Things to Hate About the Prequel Trilogy Other Than Jar Jar Binks 1. Child actors 2. Jabba the Hutt being reduced from a scary alien gangster to a cgi comic relief slug 3. The two-headed announcer at the pod races and his bad, bad jokes. 4. Anakin Skywalker built C-3PO? Really? 5. The force is no longer a spiritual mystery-religion, it is chemistry. 6. NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! 7. Acting so bad it makes Mark Hammill look like Anthony Hopkins. At least there is a family resemblance I guess. 8. The endless parade of ridiculous, borderline offensive accents coming from aliens. 9. The shoehorned nods and winks to the original trilogy that add nothing  ("He said 'I have a bad feeling about this!' They said that in the original trilogy! OMG that is so clever!") 10. Darth Vader goes from being a scary, enigmatic force of darkness to whiny emo kid who it's impossible to take seriously. Also, Ewoks were awesome, and as corny as parts of the OT were, at least the humor was organic and natural as opposed to the <INSERT JOKE HERE> mentality of the prequels.

1.  I think Atavachron already covered this.
2.  I always thought he was a comic relief slug.
3.  Actually, the two-headed announcer was the best thing about the pod race.  I found the pod race overall to be the low point of the PT, although not the low point of the saga as a whole, which would have to be the excruciatingly long amount of time they spent in the Ewok village in Jedi.
4.  And? 
5.  So?  Actually, the force is still a spiritual mystery, with people being able to live on after death, etc.  So what if there is a chemical component to the force when it interacts with living beings?  I don't think that takes away from the mystery at all.
6.  Errr, that was in Empire, and yes, that was very, very bad.  Oh you mean in Sith?  Yeah, that was cheesy, but no more so than the one in Empire. 
7.  I found Hayden to be a much better actor than Mark (see the above comment about "NOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!"
8.  Meh.
9.  They said "I have a bad feeling about this" or some variant of, in every one of the SW movies.  It was a running gag, as was the reference in every movie to THX 1138.  The only real nod to the OT, outside of the running gags, was in III when Anakin said "This is where the fun begins" echoing Han's line from IV.
10.  Most of the evidence pointed to him being young when he was turned to the dark side.  We knew he wasn't pure evil from the moment he was born.  His friendship with Obi Wan would seem to indicate otherwise, and so the character was a young man with emotional problems.  This doesn't seem so far fetched.  Nor does it diminish the evil he became.

And a few reasons to like the PT better.

1.  Did they really have to blow up two death stars in the OT?
2.  The Ewoks.  I don't hate them.  I loathe them.  See my suggestions for Episode VII a couple pages back to see just how much.
3.  Making it up as he went along (Vader didn't become Luke's father until Episode V, he was originally a separate character.  Oh, and making out with sis).
4.  NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
5.  Aside from VI, where he was overshadowed by the Ewoks, Palpatine had to have been the most uninvolved and invisible emperor in the history of emperors.
6.  "Don't underestimate the power of the emperor or suffer your father's fate you will"  I dunno, didn't Yoda think that just maybe knowing that the emperor was a powerful Sith Lord might have been useful knowledge for Luke to have prior to his meeting with the emperor? 
7.  If the emperor was so powerful, as it turned out he was, why all the focus of Yoda and Ben on destroying Vader?  Vader falling would not have done anything to make the empire collapse.  Ultimately, it was the emperor who needed to be taken down.  This one has always bothered me about the OT. 
8.  "Only a fully-trained jedi with the force as his ally can defeat Vader and his emperor" - Yoda; "Uh? Aren't you a fully-trained jedi?" - Luke.  Seriously, why send a kid to do a man's job.  The Yoda cop-out.
9.  A parsec is a unit of distance, not of time.  Couldn't somebody have looked that up before throwing out words they didn't understand?
10.  Waiting until Luke is seventeen to begin his training and then protesting that Luke is too old to begin training.  It would have made more sense had they begun training him from infancy.

And just because my reasons go up to 11:
11. "If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful than you can possibly imagine."  - Obi Wan to Vader.  "If you choose to face Vader, I can't interfere" - Obi Wan to Luke a movie later.  So much for that power that Obi Wan claimed he would have. 


Edited by The Doctor - November 03 2012 at 01:26

^and lest we forget how totay anti-climatic the big confrontation between Obi Wan and Darth Vader is in IV. If it has been made later, it would've been a moment for the ages, but in that movie is treated like one more battle with the worst sword fighting in the history of the universe. Yes, I prefer jumping Yoda vs Count Dooku a million times over Slow One vs Slow two.

The T wrote: ^and lest we forget how totay anti-climatic the big confrontation between Obi Wan and Darth Vader is in IV. If it has been made later, it would've been a moment for the ages, but in that movie is treated like one more battle with the worst sword fighting in the history of the universe. Yes, I prefer jumping Yoda vs Count Dooku a million times over Slow One vs Slow two.

wilmon91 wrote: The T wrote: ^and lest we forget how totay anti-climatic the big confrontation between Obi Wan and Darth Vader is in IV. If it has been made later, it would've been a moment for the ages, but in that movie is treated like one more battle with the worst sword fighting in the history of the universe. Yes, I prefer jumping Yoda vs Count Dooku a million times over Slow One vs Slow two.   Maybe you would have preferred a more conventional video game style battle, the two of them by themselves in a large area, orchestral music, surrounded by a thunderstorm with lightning flashes. These days everything is adapted to people's expectations. It becomes superficial and predictable.   I think it was a spontaneous unpretentious meeting, it happened naturally.

I completely agree. It's not about the choreography. It's about about the reunion of to people who used to be friends and allies, and now find themselves enemies decades later. It's about the emotional import, not about flashy effects.

I keep thinking this is a discussion of Ozric Tentacles versus Porcupine Tree.

thellama73 wrote: wilmon91 wrote: The T wrote: ^and lest we forget how totay anti-climatic the big confrontation between Obi Wan and Darth Vader is in IV. If it has been made later, it would've been a moment for the ages, but in that movie is treated like one more battle with the worst sword fighting in the history of the universe. Yes, I prefer jumping Yoda vs Count Dooku a million times over Slow One vs Slow two.   Maybe you would have preferred a more conventional video game style battle, the two of them by themselves in a large area, orchestral music, surrounded by a thunderstorm with lightning flashes. These days everything is adapted to people's expectations. It becomes superficial and predictable.   I think it was a spontaneous unpretentious meeting, it happened naturally. I completely agree. It's not about the choreography. It's about about the reunion of to people who used to be friends and allies, and now find themselves enemies decades later. It's about the emotional import, not about flashy effects.

I agree with that being more important than the battle itself. Bit even that fails in IV.

Sorry I know some people here seem to take it personally but I don't hold the original ones in the pantheon of perfection other people do. I would love to have them re-shot.

I still consider Avatar to be one of the worst movies I have ever seen. There's not a shred of creativity or soul about it.