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Atavachron
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Posted: November 01 2012 at 19:02 | |||
oh, and is anyone really excited about The Hobbit ? Looks like a piece of sh*t. |
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Man With Hat
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Posted: November 01 2012 at 19:15 | |||
I'll probably watch it. Honestly would prefer if Lucas had a direct hand in it.
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Atavachron
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Posted: November 01 2012 at 19:39 | |||
^ the people he got to do Clone Wars were first-rate; as long as he's a creative consultant, anything should be good
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wilmon91
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Posted: November 02 2012 at 09:35 | |||
I don't quite agree...a commercial interest can be reflected to different degrees, it doesn't have to be 100% commercial with a complete sacrifice of artistic and creative quality. But when re-releasing the original movies as a box, what they had added to them had no real ambition behind it beyond enticing people to buy
the box.
I think the original movies show countless of artistic and creative aspects that are independent of people's expectations. The sounds for example, the sound of the tie-fighter is a masterpiece in itself. It was based on the sound of an elephant. That really gave it character. That requires some creative thinking. It's got nothing to do with commerialism. The original movies have an abundance of characteristic and expressive elements. Compare it to Jar-Jar Binks. There's a completely different mindset behind the creation of such a character. Edited by wilmon91 - November 02 2012 at 09:36 |
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The Doctor
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Posted: November 02 2012 at 11:40 | |||
Jar Jar Binks is the bogeyman that PT-haters love to bring up as an example of why the PT is so awful (that's usually the only thing they bring up though because they can't think of any other good reasons to hate the PT), but obviously the OT-lovers have very short memories, because they seem to forget about the fact that a good third of Jedi was spent dealing with those idiotic Ewoks. I'm not saying Jar Jar was the greatest creation ever, but the Ewoks are at least as annoying. As for artistic merit, yes there were some fantastic achievements in special effects in the OT, but for story and character development, the PT was light years ahead of the OT.
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thellama73
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Posted: November 02 2012 at 11:53 | |||
As usual, Doctor, we are on quite opposite sides of this issue. Top Ten Things to Hate About the Prequel Trilogy Other Than Jar Jar Binks 1. Child actors 2. Jabba the Hutt being reduced from a scary alien gangster to a cgi comic relief slug 3. The two-headed announcer at the pod races and his bad, bad jokes. 4. Anakin Skywalker built C-3PO? Really? 5. The force is no longer a spiritual mystery-religion, it is chemistry. 6. NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! 7. Acting so bad it makes Mark Hammill look like Anthony Hopkins. At least there is a family resemblance I guess. 8. The endless parade of ridiculous, borderline offensive accents coming from aliens. 9. The shoehorned nods and winks to the original trilogy that add nothing ("He said 'I have a bad feeling about this!' They said that in the original trilogy! OMG that is so clever!") 10. Darth Vader goes from being a scary, enigmatic force of darkness to whiny emo kid who it's impossible to take seriously. Also, Ewoks were awesome, and as corny as parts of the OT were, at least the humor was organic and natural as opposed to the <INSERT JOKE HERE> mentality of the prequels. |
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MillsLayne
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Posted: November 02 2012 at 11:55 | |||
The way I look at it, is that we're being treated to another Star Wars trilogy, and that's fantastic news. If it's bad, it's bad. If it's good, then AWESOME! None of our lives will change either way.
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Alitare
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Posted: November 02 2012 at 11:57 | |||
When it comes to Star Wars I hate all the characters at face value. The plot has never struck me as brilliant on any major level. Where the OT was foolishly simplistic the PT was bloated and lacking in pure entertainment value. I only admit to liking 3/4ths of episode 5 and half of episode 4. In fact, my ideal Star Wars film would be:
Episodes 1 and 2 - a 10 minute prelude image-collage Episode 3 - A 20 minute story introduction Episode 4 - a 40 minute adventure short Episode 5 - a 50 minute end to the film with the bleak finale acting as a sort of myopic denouement. Episode 6 - May as well chop it out entirely. So, there you have it, my ideal single Star Wars 2-hour experience. We'll call it Black Harvest. It'd cut out all the Ewoks AND Jar-Jar. You wouldn't have to sit through Hayden's acting, really. There'd be less cheesiness. You wouldn't have to waste two entire afternoons for all of it.
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TheProgtologist
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Posted: November 02 2012 at 12:28 | |||
Hating all the characters at face value startles me coming from you.If you dig a little deeper,especially into the EU,there are some complex and very interesting characters in the saga.
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thellama73
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Posted: November 02 2012 at 12:31 | |||
Yeah, like Porkins! |
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TheProgtologist
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Posted: November 02 2012 at 12:32 | |||
The political,religious,social and military machinations that Palpatine employed in his rise to power fascinates me.It is a large,very complex web of deceit.
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A Person
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Posted: November 02 2012 at 13:03 | |||
I used to think the prequels were okay but watching
Plinkett's
reviews completely tear them apart ruined them for me. At least if
the new movies are bad they are more reviews to look forward to.
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dtguitarfan
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Posted: November 02 2012 at 13:15 | |||
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Alitare
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Posted: November 02 2012 at 13:52 | |||
I suppose 'hating' is a bit strong of a word. I don't dislike the series in general, but I don't recollect ever being blown away by much of it. There's a distinct fascination with holes, too. What does Luke fall out of in Episode 5 at the bottom of Cloud City? A big ol' hole. What does Yoda fall into when fighting what's-his-name in episode 3? A hole. What is the Death Star's gaping weakness? A Hole. What does Vader do with the Emperor? Tosses 'em down a hole. Sarlacc pits (holes). Black Hole Cantina. Darth Maul falls in a hole in Episode 1 as he dies at the hands of Kenobi. Holes holes holes - and we're not even speaking of the plot holes.
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TheProgtologist
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Posted: November 02 2012 at 14:01 | |||
The name of the cantina in Mos Eisley is Chalmun's Cantina,Chalmun is the name of the Wookie that owns it.
n00b
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Alitare
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Posted: November 02 2012 at 14:06 | |||
I know there's a Black Hole cantina somewhere. Maybe it was in one of the games and I just got 'em confused.
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Evolver
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Posted: November 02 2012 at 14:44 | |||
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Man With Hat
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Posted: November 02 2012 at 14:57 | |||
Yeah, someway related is better than nothing. I just look at the movies as something different from the books and tv things and etc.
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Atavachron
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Posted: November 02 2012 at 19:02 | |||
and as usual, we are also on opposite sides ; 1. Child actors are the best to portray child characters. 2. Jabba is what he's always been: scum and villainy whether he's CGI or some clunky marionette. 3. I liked the two-headed announcer, he was funnier and cuter than Jarjar. 4. Yes Anakin built C3PO really. 5. I wasn't thrilled by this either, it was unneccesary. I do like the idea of a spiritual belief having a biologic foundation though, but theu=y went a bit too far with it. The Force is what it is, a mystery. Leave it that way. 6. I never quite got why people hated that so much, SW is filled with movie cliches just like that and no one seemed to complain. 7. Thing is, Mark Hamill is a very good actor, as is Ewan McGregor, Ian McDiarmid, and both Christensen and Portman are highly professional regardless of what you think of their acting. You can't tell me the acting was better in the First Tril, though it might have been better scripted. 8. Ah the 'offensive accent' argument, and we might as well add Dagobah as a subliminal racist slur even though it's of course the name of a type of Buddhist temple. Nonsense, it's just Lucas' detached sense of theater. 9. Yes this sort of referencing is silly and again, unnecessary. 10. I don't follow: he was different as a young person. Most people are, and plus he had to be shown to have drastically changed. |
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wilmon91
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Posted: November 02 2012 at 19:07 | |||
It was many years since I saw Phantom Menace, but the most annyoing thing was a very silly turn of events were Anakin wanders around on his own, finds a ship, climbs into the cockpit, starts the ship (he doesn't know how to fly a plane), manages to take off into space. And then he saves the world, or does something that decides the positive outcome of the story of the movie, which then ends . I don't remember exactly, maybe someone can clarify what happened. It was the most deciding event for the movie. He is just a kid. It was very silly.
I have to say the only thing I remember from episode 2 was computer animated robots.
But I think the story holds together in the first trilogy. It's an adventure movie and its strength is how characteristic everything is , the different environments, the characters, robots, the space scenes with different kinds of spaceships and all the perfectly designed sounds. The best thing of Star Wars is James Earl Jones, the voice of Darth vader. And storywise, the battle between the light and dark side and the"force" are great story elements. And the fact that Obi Wan Kenobi trains Anakin to become jedi, and Anakin eventually turned to the dark side, and it then turns out he is Lukes father.... it's an epic story, what's to complain about? Edited by wilmon91 - November 02 2012 at 19:15 |
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