Political discussion thread

The Doctor wrote: Epignosis wrote: The Doctor wrote: Epignosis wrote: Political parties are red herrings.  They are mere sports teams that do not serve us. I agree with your five sentences, but must point out that terms like "hardship", "undeservedly" and "unjustly" are open to very broad interpretation.  So while we may all agree on these statements, we will all have differing opinions as to what is unjust, or what is deserved, or what constitutes a hardship. You are quite right, Chester.  I initially reconsidered those terms, but they are, alas, the best we have, I think.  The Doctor wrote: Your statement above though, I absolutely agree with.  Although we are diametrically opposed on many issues, I do not believe either party truly represents the country or its people.  And they are practically the same party, in fact I often refer to Obama as Bush Lite.  I wonder why you have not considered the Green Party.  I listened to Jill Stein the other night.  She sounded like your kind of candidate.  Forgive me if we've already discussed her. I like a lot of what Jill Stein has to say.  Alas, the chances of her or a Gary Johnson or a Rocky Anderson (not so much a fan of these last two, but at least they'd be different) winning the election is virtually nil.  On the other hand, I may end up voting for Stein, because a vote for Obama here in Texas would be wasted anyway, so I might as well vote my conscious.

Hopefully you vote when you are conscious. 

I am in NC, a swing state, and I'm not voting Romney.  Nor is my wife.  The Republican Party could have scored my vote by nominating Ron Paul.  They shunned him (and, I believe, did so furtively and immorally), and so shunned me (and many other possible voters).

We must get past this:

1. Your vote for (insert third party here) is a vote for (incumbent).

2. You must abandon your principles and vote for the R or D who comes closest to your beliefs.

3. You must vote for the lesser of two evils.

I am done with this mindset.  No offense Logan, I appreciate you, but this election I have elected to not vote for a Republicrat unless he is extremely close to what I think needs to be done in this country.

The only way to get "third" parties on the ticket is to convince more and more people to vote for them and not the establishment.  Therefore I cannot be a hypocrite.

Epignosis wrote: The Doctor wrote: Epignosis wrote: Political parties are red herrings.  They are mere sports teams that do not serve us. I agree with your five sentences, but must point out that terms like "hardship", "undeservedly" and "unjustly" are open to very broad interpretation.  So while we may all agree on these statements, we will all have differing opinions as to what is unjust, or what is deserved, or what constitutes a hardship. You are quite right, Chester.  I initially reconsidered those terms, but they are, alas, the best we have, I think.  The Doctor wrote: Your statement above though, I absolutely agree with.  Although we are diametrically opposed on many issues, I do not believe either party truly represents the country or its people.  And they are practically the same party, in fact I often refer to Obama as Bush Lite.  I wonder why you have not considered the Green Party.  I listened to Jill Stein the other night.  She sounded like your kind of candidate.  Forgive me if we've already discussed her.

I like a lot of what Jill Stein has to say.  Alas, the chances of her or a Gary Johnson or a Rocky Anderson (not so much a fan of these last two, but at least they'd be different) winning the election is virtually nil.  On the other hand, I may end up voting for Stein, because a vote for Obama here in Texas would be wasted anyway, so I might as well vote my conscience. 


Edited by The Doctor - October 28 2012 at 18:58

The Doctor wrote: The T wrote: I know many hispanics (I am hispanic) who, being democrats, still express bigoted statements even against Obama. Some of them didn't even vote for him because of race. Now that is quite stupid.  Agreed.  That is pretty stupid.  All of the ones I know are Obama "supporters" however.  My girlfriend and I have pretty much the same view of Obama.  He's a bit better than the alternative.

Hey, I supported Obama in '08, even though I couldn't yet vote. 

Epignosis wrote: I think this much is safe to say about all of us "regular" US participants in this thread: 1. We do not want to see people undergo physical or financial hardship undeservedly. 2. We abhor all racism and other irrational prejudices. 3. We would like the federal deficit, and eventually, the national debt, eliminated. 4. We wish for global peace, insofar as it can be reasonably attained and maintained. 5. We do not think that people should be unjustly deprived of their lives, liberties, or property.

Edited by The T - October 28 2012 at 18:42

Epignosis wrote: Political parties are red herrings.  They are mere sports teams that do not serve us.

I agree with your five sentences, but must point out that terms like "hardship", "undeservedly" and "unjustly" are open to very broad interpretation.  So while we may all agree on these statements, we will all have differing opinions as to what is unjust, or what is deserved, or what constitutes a hardship.

Your statement above though, I absolutely agree with.  Although we are diametrically opposed on many issues, I do not believe either party truly represents the country or its people.  And they are practically the same party, in fact I often refer to Obama as Bush Lite. 

I agree with those five sentences.

Well, there's my girlfriend, her mother, and almost all of her family.  There are a couple of people I used to work with, who I still occasionally hang out with that are hispanic democrats. 

Is that important for some reason?


Edited by The Doctor - October 28 2012 at 18:24

The T wrote: I don't support affirmative action. But yes, Logan is correct. That was not the racism I was talking about from some democrats I know. TheDoctor and prejudice usually go hand in hand. I was talking about proper "I hate n****rs" racism or "f**king whites" racism or "i hate hispanics" racism.

Funny, I know lots and lots of democrats and none of them have those opinions.  But then, Teo and making hateful statements about liberals and progressives usually go hand in hand.

I don't support affirmative action. But yes, Logan is correct. That was not the racism I was talking about from some democrats I know. TheDoctor and prejudice usually go hand in hand.

I was talking about proper "I hate n****rs" racism or "f**king whites" racism or "i hate hispanics" racism.

Not sure if this is what you mean.  We have an issue with racism in Football at the moment and the fact that there are hardly any black coaches.  So people suggest the Rooney Law (I think thats what its called) used in the States.  Where Football teams would have to shortlist a black candidate for interview.  They don't have to employ that candidate though and is affirmative action but not the same as what you suggest.