the importance of analog sound in prog

Dean wrote: Catcher10 wrote:   These are very expensive and the music offering is very minimal, based on what most here listen to. So really are insignificant to the music scene....I doubt these will ever take over because of cost, DVD-A has not become the norm nor do I think it will....again cost. Plus you need a player to support DVD-A, another added cost. Cost is not an issue to an audiophilist. When you must spend (another) $1000 to appreciate vinyl () then a few bucks on a DVD-A player is peanuts by comparison. Catcher10 wrote:   A well assembled redbook player system will perform to a point where you would not know the difference. I have a couple 24/96 albums and they are not any better than the 16/44.1 version.....I have a few jazz albums that are really nice but again I am not gonna spend the price for anymore.....Does not seem anyone else here is going to either. Where these might make sense are for the people who listen to a lot of classical music, those apperantly sound brilliant. Well I sure as hell can here the difference. Sound is smoother and less crispy. 24/96 removes (practically) all the negative points that people who prefer analogue level at CD - the top-end cut off is now 48Khz (tape bias removal filters cut off tape recordings at around that frequency and as I have said before, vinyl mastering also removes them) and the extra 8-bits can do nothing but improve the "detail" that everyone bangs on about. If you cannot tell the difference between Red Book and 24/96 then I can't see how the audible differences between Red Book and vinyl are due to the reasons that analogue enthusiasts say it is.

moshkito wrote: Catcher10 wrote: When I listen to vinyl I cannot hear any hiss, it does not exist enough to hear it. When there is hiss on CD it is heard easily....Why? Because you are right, you hear everything on a CD.   I hope that my "hiss" comment did not get wasted. I only used it in the context of live performance. I have never, ever, heard it in LP or CD ... kinda strange to read this line above!

progbethyname wrote: Dean wrote: Catcher10 wrote:   These are very expensive and the music offering is very minimal, based on what most here listen to. So really are insignificant to the music scene....I doubt these will ever take over because of cost, DVD-A has not become the norm nor do I think it will....again cost. Plus you need a player to support DVD-A, another added cost. Cost is not an issue to an audiophilist. When you must spend (another) $1000 to appreciate vinyl () then a few bucks on a DVD-A player is peanuts by comparison. Catcher10 wrote:   A well assembled redbook player system will perform to a point where you would not know the difference. I have a couple 24/96 albums and they are not any better than the 16/44.1 version.....I have a few jazz albums that are really nice but again I am not gonna spend the price for anymore.....Does not seem anyone else here is going to either. Where these might make sense are for the people who listen to a lot of classical music, those apperantly sound brilliant. 24/96 removes (practically) all the negative points that people who prefer analogue level at CD - the top-end cut off is now 48Khz (tape bias removal filters cut off tape recordings at around that frequency and as I have said before, vinyl mastering also removes them) and the extra 8-bits can do nothing but improve the "detail" that everyone bangs on about. If you cannot tell the difference between Red Book and 24/96 then I can't see how the audible differences between Red Book and vinyl are due to the reasons that analogue enthusiasts say it is. Well I sure as hell can here the difference. Sound is smoother and less crispy.

Please learn to quote properly so it doesn't look like I made that comment.

Catcher10 wrote: MUST spend $1000?? .......Don't understand that and you are misleading readers with that. What someone spends is a personal decision.

Speaking of Jimmy Page,  I assume most here have seen "It might get Loud" and is it any coincidence that Page is obviously a vinyl lover?  His home library was wall to wall vinyl records.  So I don't think it's a stretch to suggest Page is an audiophile who understands that vinyl sounds better as a listening experience.

He also understands that the masses buy digital music and from a business standpoint, he will profit more from digital releases and DVD which he has done all the way to the bank. 

But he sits home and listens to vinyl when HE has the option.  "Since I've been Loving Vinyl"

I was over in San Francisco last year and had a chance to listen to a Shindo set up... which is super high end tube amp analog stuff and speakers.  $100,000 audiophile craziness stuff.  It was the best thing I have ever heard.  I was admiring one of the amps they had in there and noticed an invoice sitting next to it that said "Walter Becker" on it.  Guys like Becker know.
Maybe Justin Timberlake listens to digital in his home. 

Surrealist wrote: Are you that desperate to win an argument? I still have my large collection of records too. I don't play them though. I would bet you have a crap analog set up.. otherwise you would be saying.. I have a large collection of CD's collecting dust.. but I still have them to use as coasters when guests come over.

Surrealist wrote: I was over in San Francisco last year and had a chance to listen to a Shindo set up... which is super high end tube amp analog stuff and speakers.  $100,000 audiophile craziness stuff.  It was the best thing I have ever heard.  I was admiring one of the amps they had in there and noticed an invoice sitting next to it that said "Walter Becker" on it.  Guys like Becker know. Maybe Justin Timberlake listens to digital in his home.

Hey. It's sunday. Why don't you guys take a day off. Grace your ears with your favourite sound set up and will. Onto us to debate Monday. Lol. You guys slay me!!!! Also. My apologies to surrealist for accidental shoddy quote work. Whoops

progbethyname wrote: My apologies to surrealist for accidental shoddy quote work. Whoops

Yeah, he was well upset that you made your subjective opinion look like it came from me.

Edited by Dean - October 21 2012 at 18:01