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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 08 2012 at 11:47
Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

But in the US all these cultures have to coexist under a single system. In Europe, yes, if you at it as the European Union, of course you have multiculturalism rampant. But when you look countries just as countries (which is how they operate in many levels) you see more homogeneous results. Yes, there is multiculturalism in Spain, Switzerland, etc, but even there you see a sort of territorial division on pair to the cultural one (current waves of migration notwithstanding). The two world wars had a lot to owe to ethnic chaos and their results are basically territories more or less homogeneous (more or less). In the US things are different. You are trying to apply a big gigantic government to a fully heterogeneous population. It's different from the European Union, a somewhat economical but never cultural union really. Or am I terribly wrong? (as always)
Of course multiculturalism exists across national borders and always has done, but the mecahnisms that created the racial multiculturalism in the USA also exist within national borders in Europe. Each nation within Europe has its own ethic component, often based upon (or stemming from) the old collonial systems, but in recent times due to the changing border regulations created by the European Union. As try as I might, I cannot see how " a big gigantic government " is to blame for racial hate crime.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 08 2012 at 11:51
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What is the rate of youth getting in trouble in your schools?

Depend on which newspaper you read. Playground violence is not unknown.
 
When kids have to check their firearms in at the reception desk each morning I think you're in trouble.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 09 2012 at 13:59
I am still pretty upset to see, not just here but the internet and life in general, the dedication to party politics.
Maybe both parties suck but the GOP gets off generally while the Dems and Obama are the anti christ.

Like so many libertarians are caving to go Romney just because "cant let Bama win" I still fail to see how he/Dems are THAT much worse?
Republicans want to conquer the world, support the Fed/corporatism. Wubya's administration was so big government it was disgusting. All their tax cuts only help the best off still.
I'm just a little peeved the Dems are still viewed as that bad, and people think Republican mainstream is gunna change.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 09 2012 at 14:02
^You could have inverted the names of the parties in your rant and it would still be true. Thus proving your point.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 09 2012 at 21:49
Originally posted by JJLehto JJLehto wrote:

I am still pretty upset to see, not just here but the internet and life in general, the dedication to party politics.
Maybe both parties suck but the GOP gets off generally while the Dems and Obama are the anti christ.

Like so many libertarians are caving to go Romney just because "cant let Bama win" I still fail to see how he/Dems are THAT much worse?
Republicans want to conquer the world, support the Fed/corporatism. Wubya's administration was so big government it was disgusting. All their tax cuts only help the best off still.
I'm just a little peeved the Dems are still viewed as that bad, and people think Republican mainstream is gunna change.


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I think it speaks to American short sightedness in general that places a marginal immediate victory over a substantial potential future victory.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 24 2012 at 20:00
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 24 2012 at 22:19
Originally posted by horsewithteeth11 horsewithteeth11 wrote:

Why yes, Ron Paul and I have a lot alike. Oh wait...
Well, from a purely electoral point of view it is correct: voting for Ron Paul will get Obama reelected. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 24 2012 at 22:20
Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

Originally posted by horsewithteeth11 horsewithteeth11 wrote:

Why yes, Ron Paul and I have a lot alike. Oh wait...
Well, from a purely electoral point of view it is correct: voting for Ron Paul will get Obama reelected. 


So be it?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 24 2012 at 22:38
Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

Originally posted by horsewithteeth11 horsewithteeth11 wrote:

Why yes, Ron Paul and I have a lot alike. Oh wait...
Well, from a purely electoral point of view it is correct: voting for Ron Paul will get Obama reelected. 


So be it?
Nyet. I don't want to. Though powerless I am. We all are. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 24 2012 at 22:39
Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

Originally posted by horsewithteeth11 horsewithteeth11 wrote:

Why yes, Ron Paul and I have a lot alike. Oh wait...
Well, from a purely electoral point of view it is correct: voting for Ron Paul will get Obama reelected. 


So be it?
Nyet. I don't want to. Though powerless I am. We all are. 


Let the GOP learn their lesson.  Let the American people learn theirs.

I am ambivalent.

Let us learn our doom.




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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 26 2012 at 04:47
Q: Is having a single official national language a Libertarian issue?
 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 26 2012 at 08:04
I tried to post yesterday a link to an article with some good arguments against making English (in the US case) the official language. Sadly I failed to be able to post it. I have ways thought that it is good if the people in a country have a common language (regardless of how many secondary languages there might be) but the answer is not definitive. Obviously, I always knew that the libertarian view should be one of freedom in language too, without any sort of obligation to learn or speak anything. I have never fully agreed with that.

Let's see if it works now

(Curiously, there is a paragraph in that article mentioning a cost-benefit analysis that might drive another member of PA crazy )

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 26 2012 at 08:08
Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Q: Is having a single official national language a Libertarian issue?
 
 


I don't think it is, but here are my feelings on the matter.

I have no interest in telling people what language they must or mustn't speak, but I think having a single language for official government business (of which there should be as little as possible) is a good idea. It is ridiculous to attempt to make every form, every document, every public speech, ever road sign, etc. understandable by a dozen different languages. Speak whatever you like at home, but if you want to run for office, apply for welfare, or sign up for the military, you should at least have enough of a knowledge of the local language to fill out the forms without a translator.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 26 2012 at 08:15
Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

I tried to post yesterday a link to an article with some good arguments against making English (in the US case) the official language. Sadly I failed to be able to post it. I have ways thought that it is good if the people in a country have a common language (regardless of how many secondary languages there might be) but the answer is not definitive. Obviously, I always knew that the libertarian view should be one of freedom in language too, without any sort of obligation to learn or speak anything. I have never fully agreed with that.

Let's see if it works now

(Curiously, there is a paragraph in that article mentioning a cost-benefit analysis that might drive another member of PA crazy )
Yeah, I did manage to read that from the links in the email notifications, but that isn't the question I asked (as fun as it is to plough through a 5,000 word essay on a subject that has no direct consequences for me). I can see for and against agruments from my preception of a libertarian perspective so I was interested in an actual libertarian perspective.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 26 2012 at 08:17
Originally posted by thellama73 thellama73 wrote:


Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:



Q: Is having a single official national language a Libertarian issue?
 
 
I don't think it is, but here are my feelings on the matter.I have no interest in telling people what language they must or mustn't speak, but I think having a single language for official government business (of which there should be as little as possible) is a good idea. It is ridiculous to attempt to make every form, every document, every public speech, ever road sign, etc. understandable by a dozen different languages. Speak whatever you like at home, but if you want to run for office, apply for welfare, or sign up for the military, you should at least have enough of a knowledge of the local language to fill out the forms without a translator.
That is pretty much my view too.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 26 2012 at 08:21
Originally posted by thellama73 thellama73 wrote:

Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Q: Is having a single official national language a Libertarian issue?
 
 


I don't think it is, but here are my feelings on the matter.

I have no interest in telling people what language they must or mustn't speak, but I think having a single language for official government business (of which there should be as little as possible) is a good idea. It is ridiculous to attempt to make every form, every document, every public speech, ever road sign, etc. understandable by a dozen different languages. Speak whatever you like at home, but if you want to run for office, apply for welfare, or sign up for the military, you should at least have enough of a knowledge of the local language to fill out the forms without a translator.
Of course banning other languages can never be ruled-out as a possibility, given that it has happened before, but as I understand it no one is proposing that under a single national language system.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 26 2012 at 14:42
It should be a major issue if it is. Having a government use one language for their original documents makes sense. Anything more stringent than that will be as asinine and effective as a prohibition of any other good.

FYI: I moved and don't have internet yet. I should be back posting my inane thoughts in a few days.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 27 2012 at 16:39
All languages should have a battle until only one remains.

There can be only one.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 27 2012 at 17:06
Oh, right. Better start learning Mandarin then. Unhappy
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 27 2012 at 20:47
False. Castillian Spanish has the healthiest birth rate.
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