The (Factually) Greatest Drummer

Ambient Hurricanes wrote: dtguitarfan wrote: Ambient Hurricanes wrote: Horizons wrote: dtfan likes trolling the community with his love of Dream Theater I'm pretty sure the OP wasn't strictly meant to be taken seriously.  If it's trolling, then it must be a good side of trolling, because this thread is ridiculously funny. Nah, I don't see how saying you love a band can possibly be trolling in any way.  Now, what Mr. Dennis Moore is doing?  That's trolling.  By the way - Eric Johnson is boring, and Joe Satriani puts on a good show.... If my impression of him is right, Dennis doesn't mean anyone to take everything he writes seriously, either.

Hmm, since it seems that I'm being talked about in this triple quote.  I will say a pleasant hello to my handsome young friends A.H. & Horizons, its been a while my fair lads. I hope you both are well          @A.H.  Can you work on that avatar?  The horse is kinda plain...

At this point I will quote the great Irishman Oscar Wilde:

"The only thing worse than being talked about, is not being talked about."

Ambient Hurricanes wrote: The T wrote: They should really measure who's the fastest singer in the world. Does rapping count?  In that case, it has to be Tech N9ne.

If Usain Bolt can sing then my money's on him.

HolyMoly wrote: But I paid for an argument.

No you didn't.

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A:   Come in.
M:   Ah, Is this the right room for an argument?
A:   I told you once.
M:   No you haven't.
A:   Yes I have.
M:   When?
A:    Just now.
M:   No you didn't.
A:   Yes I did.
M:  You didn't
A:   I did!
M:  You didn't!
A:   I'm telling you I did!
M:  You did not!!
A:   Oh, I'm sorry, just one moment. Is this a five minute argument or the full half hour?
M:  Oh, just the five minutes.
A:   Ah, thank you. Anyway, I did.
M:  You most certainly did not.
A:   Look, let's get this thing clear; I quite definitely told you.
M:  No you did not.
A:   Yes I did.
M:   No you didn't.
A:   Yes I did.
M:   No you didn't.
A:   Yes I did.
M:   No you didn't.
A:   Yes I did.
M:  You didn't.
A:   Did.
M:  Oh look, this isn't an argument.
A:   Yes it is.
M:   No it isn't. It's just contradiction.
A:   No it isn't.
M:  It is!
A:   It is not.
M:  Look, you just contradicted me.
A:   I did not.
M:  Oh you did!!
A:   No, no, no.
M:  You did just then.
A:   Nonsense!
M:  Oh, this is futile!
A:   No it isn't.
M:  I came here for a good argument.
A:   No you didn't; no, you came here for an argument.
M:  An argument isn't just contradiction.
A:   It can be.
M:  No it can't. An argument is a connected series of statements intended to establish a proposition.
A:   No it isn't.
M:  Yes it is! It's not just contradiction.
A:   Look, if I argue with you, I must take up a contrary position.
M:  Yes, but that's not just saying 'No it isn't.'
A:   Yes it is!
M:   No it isn't!A:   Yes it is!
M:  Argument is an intellectual process. Contradiction is just the automatic gainsaying of any statement the other person makes.
(short pause)
A:  No it isn't.
M:  It is.
A:  Not at all.
M:  Now look.
A: (Rings bell)  Good Morning.
M:  What?
A:   That's it. Good morning.
M:   I was just getting interested.
A:   Sorry, the five minutes is up.
M:  That was never five minutes!
A:   I'm afraid it was.
M:  It wasn't.
Pause
A:   I'm sorry, but I'm not allowed to argue anymore.
M:  What?!
A:   If you want me to go on arguing, you'll have to pay for another five minutes.
M:  Yes, but that was never five minutes, just now. Oh come on!
A:  (Hums)
M:  Look, this is ridiculous.
A:   I'm sorry, but I'm not allowed to argue unless you've paid!
M:  Oh, all right.
(pays money)
A:   Thank you.
short pause
M:  Well?
A:   Well what?
M:   That wasn't really five minutes, just now.
A:    I told you, I'm not allowed to argue unless you've paid.
M:   I just paid!
A:   No you didn't.
M:   I DID!
A:   No you didn't.
M:  Look, I don't want to argue about that.
A:  Well, you didn't pay.
M:  Aha. If I didn't pay, why are you arguing? I Got you!
A:   No you haven't.
M:  Yes I have. If you're arguing, I must have paid.
A:   Not necessarily. I could be arguing in my spare time.
M:  Oh I've had enough of this.
A:   No you haven't.
M:  Oh Shut up.

I think the horse is cool.

thellama73 wrote: HolyMoly wrote: I think the horse is cool. I don't like horses, and I don't think we need them anymore. If we're not going to eat them or use them for farm work or transportation, why keep them around?

For the same reason we keep dogs and cats around; because of the pleasure that the animals bring to their human owners and companions.

I like horses and enjoy horseback riding and things like that, even though I'm not a big horse person (remember, it's symbolic); I am a dog lover, and my dog is one of my best friends. 

Ambient Hurricanes wrote: That horse means a lot to me, in a symbolic sort of way.

"Its symbolic of his struggle against reality!"


http://www.epicure.demon.co.uk/inalienable.html

dtguitarfan wrote: Hey, so I went looking around for this review as this thread kind of reminded me of it - it's one of my favorite reviews I've ever read, which of course is partially due to the fact that I agree with everything the writer says.  And it's very well written (the guy writes novels, so it should be).  But he says some very interesting things that address the complaints I hear so often around here especially about how "it's not all about skill, man!"  Check this out: http://orullian.com/testpress/uncategorized/why-you-should-be-listening-to-dream-theater-writers-too/   EDIT: Particularly, I love this paragraph as it addresses some things I've heard around here: I’ve mentioned the musicianship. On one level, I suppose this doesn’t matter. You could be the guy or gal who would be happy forever listening to songs with chord progressions that conform to the old blues standards. But it’s like any art–painting, writing, scultping: The more tools you have to fashion your art, the more options you have. If you listen to DT’s catalog, you’re going to find plenty of times they elect to go with more minimal instrumentation. That’s a choice, folks, not a limit because they haven’t the ability to do more. That’s stating the obvious, but I do it to suggest that the inverse is likewise true: musicians who don’t work at their craft have fewer options. Which doesn’t mean they can’t make hella great tunes. Many do. But don’t buy into the weak arguements of minimalists (whether musicians or fans). Great painters choose to sometimes render an image in black and white. But they also paint with lavish color when it suits their vision. What a bummer if they could see an image in their head, but hadn’t the tools to realize it. In music, arpeggios, soaring vocal high notes, precision and natural odd-time sections, etc, are tools at the disposal of one who learns how to use them. Like color paint to the artist; or fine-tipped tools for the sculptor, who elsewise has a hammer and nothing more to appoint the expressions on the face of his David. Uh, no. We needs to get in there and refine, I say!

And King Crimson so totally conforms to old blues standards?   Please listen to how Bruford performs on One More Red Nightmare and then again to Portnoy and you might understand where people are coming from when they say the way DT plays sounds sterile.  It has nothing to do with the speed itself.   It is also not completely far fetched to claim that classical music also ends up sounding a bit too precise and losing out on spontaneity because of its disdain for improvisation.   It is possibly one of the important factors in classical ceding ground in mainstream culture to blues/jazz/rock.  Speaking of which, however you or the writer you have quoted may try to paint it, you can't escape the fact that DT is just rock and roll at the end of the day, just a more complex form of rock and all rock ultimately traces its roots in blues.  Do try and cite some progressive music that actually has severed its relations to blues next time.

And...."soaring vocal high notes"....where said notes are sung at huge detriment to clarity of pronunciation, not once or twice but all the time?  In any case, Dio and Dickinson hit much more pleasing high notes than LaBrie.  Doesn't matter if it's a few pitches lower because there's no way LaBrie can hit such a mighty C5 as can Dio or Dickinson.


Edited by rogerthat - September 22 2012 at 00:17

The T wrote: They should really measure who's the fastest singer in the world.

I nominate Thys Van Leer as fastest yodeller

...and fastest whistler

rogerthat wrote: Nah, fastest singer has to be Don Doty...IF you consider this singing.  It IS some kind of vocal technique at any rate: There's also the guy who sang for Assassin, who have an insanely fast song called Bullets.  Pat Lind of Morbid Saint, maybe Razor too, etc.  And of course, Tom Araya, the man who started all this thrash madness.

my head hurts