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ClemofNazareth
Special Collaborator Prog Folk Researcher Joined: August 17 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 4659 |
Posted: September 18 2012 at 13:32 | ||||
It's probably gauche to quote oneself, but something occured to me after posting this that's worth pointing out. I'm a 12-year military veteran (Marine Corps), who attained the rank of Gunnery Sergeant during my tour. Why is this relevent? Because for 9 of those 12 years one of those working poor slackers who didn't pay taxes and felt the government 'owed him a living' was me, thanks to low pay for my service and the fact I had the gall to start a family. And after 12 years of loyal service I walked away with no vested pension thanks to the U.S. military's 20-years-or-nothing retirement plan. My eldest son falls into the 47% as well, even though he is working full-time in the Peace Corps representing his country and trying to make life better for poor and underprivileged children in Africa. So do my parents, who both worked (and paid taxes) for half a century before retiring. And there are undoubtedly millions more like us that Romney counts among the 47% he has written off as unworthy. The point I guess is that it's pretty presumptuous of Romey to make broad claims about the character and work ethic of those who don't pay enough taxes to justify his approval. He doesn't know and we don't know the stories and situations behind why those folks are in the situations they are in, and it's pretty callous of him to dismiss this huge portion of our citizenship simply because he doesn't think they'll take the time to advance his ambitions by voting for him. |
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"Peace is the only battle worth waging."
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thellama73
Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: May 29 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 8368 |
Posted: September 18 2012 at 13:48 | ||||
^Aren't you kind of proving Romney's point that the people who don't pay taxes won't vote for him no matter what?
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rushfan4
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: May 22 2007 Location: Michigan, U.S. Status: Offline Points: 66253 |
Posted: September 18 2012 at 13:53 | ||||
This guy is a pretty liberal writer, but he does seem to make a point about the number of Republicans that Romney has insulted with that comment. http://www.cnn.com/2012/09/18/opinion/granderson-romney-video/index.html?hpt=hp_t1 Granted, I can only suspect that most of them vote Republican because of the strong moral position that the Republicans take.
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ClemofNazareth
Special Collaborator Prog Folk Researcher Joined: August 17 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 4659 |
Posted: September 18 2012 at 13:54 | ||||
That wasn't my intent, but in fact my parents (like many older Americans) are pretty conservative and will probably vote for him anyway. The original question of the thread was 'who will you be voting for?'. In my case - not Romney, for many, many reasons but not the least of which is because of his complete lack of understanding of, or empathy for, the vast majority of Americans. |
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"Peace is the only battle worth waging."
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thellama73
Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: May 29 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 8368 |
Posted: September 18 2012 at 14:02 | ||||
That article commits a ridiculous logical fallacy early on, and then I stopped reading it. The author concludes that since most of the people who don't pay income taxes come from states that voted for McCain, most people who don't pay taxes voted for McCain. This article looks at the numbers in a more meaningful way. |
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rushfan4
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: May 22 2007 Location: Michigan, U.S. Status: Offline Points: 66253 |
Posted: September 18 2012 at 14:14 | ||||
I do believe that a big reason that the Republican party carries the South has little to due with economic policies and more to due with the Social policies. Same reason that I generally vote Democratic. Economically, I do tend to be more conservative, but socially, I am extremely liberal. I have generally let my social feelings decide how I vote, and I believe that this is also true in the South.
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thellama73
Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: May 29 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 8368 |
Posted: September 18 2012 at 14:17 | ||||
Sounds like you should jump on board the libertarian train, buddy! |
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rushfan4
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: May 22 2007 Location: Michigan, U.S. Status: Offline Points: 66253 |
Posted: September 18 2012 at 14:23 | ||||
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crimhead
Forum Senior Member VIP Member Joined: October 10 2006 Location: Missouri Status: Offline Points: 19236 |
Posted: September 18 2012 at 15:24 | ||||
The guys that made that Craptacular movie "Innocence of Islam"
Not liking either of the choices. Big money has ruined the electorial process for everyone.
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rushfan4
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: May 22 2007 Location: Michigan, U.S. Status: Offline Points: 66253 |
Posted: September 18 2012 at 15:56 | ||||
Ironic?
Do Governor Romneys remarks at a recent fundraiser regarding 47% of Americans being dependent on government make you more or less likely to support his candidacy?
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UMUR
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: October 19 2007 Location: Denmark Status: Offline Points: 3069 |
Posted: September 19 2012 at 02:25 | ||||
...well for starters his view on abortion is strongly affected by him being religious (Iīm not saying all religious people are like him. Iīm only commenting on his views). In my country a man like him would be the subject of ridicule. He would quite frankly be considered sligthly mad.. Would I trust a man I consider mentally unstable to rule one of the worldīs super powers? Itīs bad enough the world had to endure Bush, but this seems even worse to me.
...his plan to roll back Obamacare is socially irresponsible too. Finally the poor and the needy are able to receive qualified health care, and of course the "good Samaritan" (that would be Romney) with his big Christian heart wants it rolled back because itīs oh so bad that the filthy rich 1% of the American population has to pay a little extra tax for it to work. Whereīs the Christian ideals, the human dignity and unity in that?
Itīs "to each his own" and I canīt stand that egocentric idiology. How about a broader perspective on the society where you live. Edited by UMUR - September 19 2012 at 02:32 |
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Atavachron
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: September 30 2006 Location: Pearland Status: Offline Points: 65239 |
Posted: September 19 2012 at 02:32 | ||||
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Epignosis
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: December 30 2007 Location: Raeford, NC Status: Offline Points: 32524 |
Posted: September 19 2012 at 06:43 | ||||
I find the European view of American politics rather intriguing. Many of you seem to be satisfied with your socialism, but think it will apply just fine and dandy here. It absolutely will not. Raise taxes on the wealthy all you want- you will not lower our debt, and you will crush our GDP, which will in turn negate future tax revenues. Our wealthy already pay 70% of our tax revenue. How are they then not (as Democrats are fond of saying) not paying their "fair share?" A large number of our population pay nothing- actually, they get credits, like the EIC and the child tax credit, so the government is paying them. Enough of this nonsense that the rich don't pay enough. "Obamacare" (silly term) does not mean "the poor and needy are able to receive qualified health care." They have always been able to receive that. How do I know? Because I've been poor, and I've never been turned away, nor have my wife or children. We get billed, make an arrangement, and pay what we could each month. What "Obamacare" does do is compel American citizens to engage in commerce (i.e., purchase health insurance). This does not, as the proper title of the law says, make health care more affordable. Nay, it makes it more expensive by increasing demand. By the way, no where in the Bible will you find that being Christian means bending over and letting some bloated, governmental, corrupt bureaucracy that squanders billions be in charge of redistributing your wealth. |
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The T
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: October 16 2006 Location: FL, USA Status: Offline Points: 17493 |
Posted: September 19 2012 at 07:40 | ||||
^Also sad that being anti-abortion (not that I definitely am) can be the object of ridicule in Denmark.
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thellama73
Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: May 29 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 8368 |
Posted: September 19 2012 at 08:03 | ||||
It makes me sad to hear that religious bigotry is such a mainstream part of your culture. |
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AlexDOM
Forum Senior Member Joined: February 02 2011 Location: Indianapolis Status: Offline Points: 775 |
Posted: September 19 2012 at 08:20 | ||||
Romney is not a Christian, he's a Mormon. Completely different!
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AlexDOM
Forum Senior Member Joined: February 02 2011 Location: Indianapolis Status: Offline Points: 775 |
Posted: September 19 2012 at 08:21 | ||||
I find the European view of American politics rather intriguing. Many of you seem to be satisfied with your socialism, but think it will apply just fine and dandy here. It absolutely will not. Raise taxes on the wealthy all you want- you will not lower our debt, and you will crush our GDP, which will in turn negate future tax revenues. Our wealthy already pay 70% of our tax revenue. How are they then not (as Democrats are fond of saying) not paying their "fair share?" A large number of our population pay nothing- actually, they get credits, like the EIC and the child tax credit, so the government is paying them. Enough of this nonsense that the rich don't pay enough. "Obamacare" (silly term) does not mean "the poor and needy are able to receive qualified health care." They have always been able to receive that. How do I know? Because I've been poor, and I've never been turned away, nor have my wife or children. We get billed, make an arrangement, and pay what we could each month. What "Obamacare" does do is compel American citizens to engage in commerce (i.e., purchase health insurance). This does not, as the proper title of the law says, make health care more affordable. Nay, it makes it more expensive by increasing demand. By the way, no where in the Bible will you find that being Christian means bending over and letting some bloated, governmental, corrupt bureaucracy that squanders billions be in charge of redistributing your wealth. [/QUOTE] Yes. Finally some common sense
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Andy Webb
Special Collaborator Retired Admin Joined: June 04 2010 Location: Terria Status: Offline Points: 13298 |
Posted: September 19 2012 at 08:34 | ||||
I dearly hope that exclamation point indicates sarcasm.
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AtomicCrimsonRush
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: July 02 2008 Location: Australia Status: Offline Points: 14258 |
Posted: September 19 2012 at 08:55 | ||||
Where's the 'I dont give a damn' button?
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UMUR
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: October 19 2007 Location: Denmark Status: Offline Points: 3069 |
Posted: September 19 2012 at 09:09 | ||||
If it doesnīt he is screwed |
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