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Originally posted by rushfan4 rushfan4 wrote:

Originally posted by M27Barney M27Barney wrote:

I have realised that once your prog collection reaches the even horizon - a helluva lot of the CD's you have purchased may never get listened to again - This is because a CD will invariably come into the following categories...
New release that month - You've got to listen to that....
Just Bought....listen with bated ears - hoping that it's "The one"
Currrent Fave....Good chance of a spin...
Ex Current Fave...it may get a spin
Old Classic....it may get a spin
Never listened to, but you like other stuff by that band....listen to it!!!
Listened once and not impressed - Listen again - you may like it a bit more and it's a grower...
Listened to and hated - may never get a spin again
And once you've gone through all those chances of a spin....whats left will not get a sniff of a spin....
I reckon I may well have five hundred CD's that come into that category.....Shocked
This really is so true.  I have been attempting to give all of my CDs at least one listen by listening to my collection alphabetically.  I have been at it for over 3 years and have only made it to Porcupine Tree.  Technically, I could skip them since I have listened to all of their albums multiple times during those 3 years, but it is their turn, so I will probably be playing through them again.  I do try to stick to playing the alphabetical order as much as possible, but there are always those new releases, just boughts, current faves, ex-current faves, and old classics that work their way into the rotation too.  For the last week I have been listening to mostly Rush in preparation for last night's concert. 
Hmmm - recently I put all my CD's into their new - made by me CD mega-collection set of shelves from floor to ceiling - in my office - so I have them in Alphabetical band order - top left A to bottom right - Z & CD's by numerous artistes.....I haven't put them all into year order within bands (only my faves like the FK's) - and I have Cards with the bands names interspersed for easy location......I also have lots of gaps to fill in as my collection will grow.....
I applaud your dedication on attempting to listen to them in alphabetical order...but when I am choosing a CD to play (once the newbies have been spun - I invariably think - i'm feeling like I need to hear a bit of prog metal - so I choose a CD.....I will usaully play my current faves until I realise that I am over playing them....then they become past faves.
As for Yes - I got into them a lot later than Genesis....who were my first love saw them at earls court in 1977 courtesy of a spare ticket my brother had.....I was played GFTO in 1977 and I didn't like it - but by the time I had left school - Yes were suddenly turning me on more than Genesis......Now it's the Flokis who are my favourite but they have a lot more competition than genesis did in 1977......As for Floyd - the fact that so many non-proggers like them definately removes them the pantheon of greatness - as roj will testify I have always regarded DSOTM as a pop release - coz where id the Epic length / virtuosity and Extended instrumental breaks that a truly prog CD must have....I know this will get right up some peoples nose who have Floyd up there as rarified prog gods - nah not on MY watch....
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Originally posted by Roland113 Roland113 wrote:

Originally posted by rushfan4 rushfan4 wrote:

 
The lists in the bottom of my postings are me recording what I listen to on Last.FM.  I scrobble the plays from my iPod to iTunes and from there they get recorded on Last.FM.  Most of my music listening from the past 5 years has been recorded there. 

Hey Scott,

Did you have to change your link a while back?  My lists stopped showing up at one point, I assumed that the site went down but now that I'm noticing yours and making the jump that my assumption was in fact . . . wrong.
It seems to me that we did have to do an update on Progfreak a while back.  I think that they had changed their code or something, and so we needed to update the link on Progfreak in order to make the signature work.
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Originally posted by M27Barney M27Barney wrote:

I have realised that once your prog collection reaches the even horizon - a helluva lot of the CD's you have purchased may never get listened to again - This is because a CD will invariably come into the following categories...
New release that month - You've got to listen to that....
Just Bought....listen with bated ears - hoping that it's "The one"
Currrent Fave....Good chance of a spin...
Ex Current Fave...it may get a spin
Old Classic....it may get a spin
Never listened to, but you like other stuff by that band....listen to it!!!
Listened once and not impressed - Listen again - you may like it a bit more and it's a grower...
Listened to and hated - may never get a spin again
And once you've gone through all those chances of a spin....whats left will not get a sniff of a spin....
I reckon I may well have five hundred CD's that come into that category.....Shocked
This really is so true.  I have been attempting to give all of my CDs at least one listen by listening to my collection alphabetically.  I have been at it for over 3 years and have only made it to Porcupine Tree.  Technically, I could skip them since I have listened to all of their albums multiple times during those 3 years, but it is their turn, so I will probably be playing through them again.  I do try to stick to playing the alphabetical order as much as possible, but there are always those new releases, just boughts, current faves, ex-current faves, and old classics that work their way into the rotation too.  For the last week I have been listening to mostly Rush in preparation for last night's concert. 
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My girlfriend is pretty open to new music, though she tends to like stuff that sticks in the mind, and is focused on "love" themes (ugh).  Which has meant I've had to hear a lot of 80's stuff I had hoped to never hear again.  She is, however, a huge Pink Floyd fan so it's not all bad (she listens mostly to "classic rock" stuff, so mostly very tolerable for my tastes).

However, she has taken lately to randomly picking a CD or 2 from my collection.  This has led to me hearing stuff again that I haven't heard in ages, or only listened to a couple of times after buying.  This has been most enjoyable (especially since it means no 80's pop or hair metal is playing Clap).

Anyway, I realized that there is almost nothing in my collection that I don't like to some degree or other.  Of course, my collection is small compared to many of you........only about 500 CD's (I have one CD rack that holds 450 normal size CD's.........but I have a fair amount of doubles and odd size boxes in there as well.........then I have several stacks of at least 10 CD's each around the stereo).

Anyway, it's been a nice change to have her pull out stuff I haven't listened to in quite a while, but is still quite good.  Last night it was early Steve Hackett (Please Don't Touch), the night before was Eloy (Dawn and Ocean).


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Originally posted by M27Barney M27Barney wrote:

I have realised that once your prog collection reaches the even horizon - a helluva lot of the CD's you have purchased may never get listened to again - This is because a CD will invariably come into the following categories...
New release that month - You've got to listen to that....
Just Bought....listen with bated ears - hoping that it's "The one"
Currrent Fave....Good chance of a spin...
Ex Current Fave...it may get a spin
Old Classic....it may get a spin
Never listened to, but you like other stuff by that band....listen to it!!!
Listened once and not impressed - Listen again - you may like it a bit more and it's a grower...
Listened to and hated - may never get a spin again
And once you've gone through all those chances of a spin....whats left will not get a sniff of a spin....
I reckon I may well have five hundred CD's that come into that category.....Shocked

See, I have one other category.  Things that I didn't like, don't even consider it a grower but feel compelled to listen to again in an effort to like it because I should, according to the demographics.  For instance, Yes.  I never cared a lot for yes, but they're prog gods, I should like them.  I have a few of their CD's and I keep listening to them, hoping for that 'a-ha' moment that suddenly makes them the second coming of Genesis for me.  I've got to the point that some of their stuff has advanced into the 'grower' category, but there are still quite a few albums that fall into the 'will stubbornly beat my head against the wall as I try to like it' category.
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Originally posted by rushfan4 rushfan4 wrote:

 
The lists in the bottom of my postings are me recording what I listen to on Last.FM.  I scrobble the plays from my iPod to iTunes and from there they get recorded on Last.FM.  Most of my music listening from the past 5 years has been recorded there. 

Hey Scott,

Did you have to change your link a while back?  My lists stopped showing up at one point, I assumed that the site went down but now that I'm noticing yours and making the jump that my assumption was in fact . . . wrong.
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I have realised that once your prog collection reaches the even horizon - a helluva lot of the CD's you have purchased may never get listened to again - This is because a CD will invariably come into the following categories...
New release that month - You've got to listen to that....
Just Bought....listen with bated ears - hoping that it's "The one"
Currrent Fave....Good chance of a spin...
Ex Current Fave...it may get a spin
Old Classic....it may get a spin
Never listened to, but you like other stuff by that band....listen to it!!!
Listened once and not impressed - Listen again - you may like it a bit more and it's a grower...
Listened to and hated - may never get a spin again
And once you've gone through all those chances of a spin....whats left will not get a sniff of a spin....
I reckon I may well have five hundred CD's that come into that category.....Shocked
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Originally posted by M27Barney M27Barney wrote:

And one's I have and (possibly) NEVER spun - Testimony by N.M - I opened up the box t'other day (I have the special edition) and a folded inner fell out - explaining all the tracks.....read that and was affronted by usual christian fookwittery & assorted bollockary.... - placed box back in collection......

that's hilarious!
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Right then , where do I start - ooooh aye - testimony - I got it from EBAY - and it was a mouth watering 0.99p + 1.00 p & p - so I bid & won (10 minutes left) - bought from sombody in Devon...(I keep all my receipts - I am very anal with anything I buy)...that why my wife knows I'd never go with a prostitute - they don't do receipts.....Tongue
VDGG - I hate the singing....Aye and the music is just tooo weird for me as well...looks like most on here share similar tastes more or less - except infandous obviously - I'll bet a tenner he's got a mangle and there is a shortage of cats in his neighbourhood.....Wink Also looks like I'm at the gig this sunday with just me mate and No 2 son.....
Whats with thos lists at the bottom of  Scots postings???
I'm dead nosy me....
I am going to see Rush tonight, so that makes up for not being able to see TFK for me, although I would love to see TFK.  I really enjoyed the Karmakanic/Agents of Mercy show when they came here to Detroit.  Unfortunately it was only me and about 20 of my "closest" friends there.
 
The lists in the bottom of my postings are me recording what I listen to on Last.FM.  I scrobble the plays from my iPod to iTunes and from there they get recorded on Last.FM.  Most of my music listening from the past 5 years has been recorded there. 
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You're on the internet - It's safe to wikipedia it - it's not a device that could earn you a fatwah if you google it either....Tongue
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 I'll bet a tenner he's got a mangle and there is a shortage of cats in his neighbourhood.....Wink

Yeah, I'm with Gus on this one . . . huh?
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Originally posted by M27Barney M27Barney wrote:

Right then , where do I start - ooooh aye - testimony - I got it from EBAY - and it was a mouth watering 0.99p + 1.00 p & p - so I bid & won (10 minutes left) - bought from sombody in Devon...(I keep all my receipts - I am very anal with anything I buy)...that why my wife knows I'd never go with a prostitute - they don't do receipts.....Tongue
VDGG - I hate the singing....Aye and the music is just tooo weird for me as well...looks like most on here share similar tastes more or less - except infandous obviously - I'll bet a tenner he's got a mangle and there is a shortage of cats in his neighbourhood.....Wink Also looks like I'm at the gig this sunday with just me mate and No 2 son.....
Whats with thos lists at the bottom of  Scots postings???
I'm dead nosy me....


Sorry, don't know what a "mangle" is to you British folks.  I do have a cat of my own, and she sounds much sweeter than any VDGG sax break Wink  However, as I've said, I completely understand why someone wouldn't enjoy the vocals.  I guess the band as a whole is something of an acquired taste (though I acquired it right away).  I tend to like a lot of avant stuff though, so perhaps that is why I enjoy it.  I'm not strictly a sympho prog guy, though that is still my favorite sub genre to be sure.
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Right then , where do I start - ooooh aye - testimony - I got it from EBAY - and it was a mouth watering 0.99p + 1.00 p & p - so I bid & won (10 minutes left) - bought from sombody in Devon...(I keep all my receipts - I am very anal with anything I buy)...that why my wife knows I'd never go with a prostitute - they don't do receipts.....Tongue
VDGG - I hate the singing....Aye and the music is just tooo weird for me as well...looks like most on here share similar tastes more or less - except infandous obviously - I'll bet a tenner he's got a mangle and there is a shortage of cats in his neighbourhood.....Wink Also looks like I'm at the gig this sunday with just me mate and No 2 son.....
Whats with thos lists at the bottom of  Scots postings???
I'm dead nosy me....
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Originally posted by rushfan4 rushfan4 wrote:

Originally posted by infandous infandous wrote:

Originally posted by Roland113 Roland113 wrote:

Originally posted by M27Barney M27Barney wrote:

Originally posted by Roland113 Roland113 wrote:

Hey Rob (Barney) . . . 

I was listening to "I am the Sun" this morning and something hit me.  There's the bit in the middle that you refer to as 'the daft part'.  All this time I thought that you didn't like it just because of the weirdness and the 'Heart in San Francisco' bit.  It just hit me today . . . it's the sax, isn't it?
Aye - I am not that fond of the old saxophonist - I consider it a JAZZ instrument - wherever you have a sax bit - should have been a mini-moog/hammond organ/guitar twiddle backed by luscious mellotron........
This is possibly why i think that VDGG is WAY overrated - that and I hate the singing for some reason....

Don't get me started, I got something by Van der Graaff Generator out of the bargin bin years ago and am still bitter over the loss of that dollar.  It's good for clearing the house and that's about it.  Seriously, I think the conversation goes something like this . . . 

Tom:  I think I'm going to put on some Van der Graff . . . 
Marianne (wife of Tom):  Hey Tori (daughter of Tom) Daddy needs some alone time, let's go grocery shopping.
Tom:  But we just went shopping yesterday.
Marianne:  I'm certain there's something that we forgot.



Love, love, love Van der Graaf Generator.  Easily in my top 10 bands of all time.  Love saxophones as well, especially in prog rock.  I could understand not liking Hammill's vocals, though I liked them the first time I heard them.  The sax though..........I've known other people who couldn't stand the sound of it, and I just don't understand that at all.  To each his own, I guess.

 
With VDGG, I generally refer to the sax playing as the sound of strangling cats, as that is what it reminds me of.



When I think of the sound of cats being strangled, I think of James LaBrie, not VDGG.  But again, to each his own.
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No problem.  Any time. WinkLOL
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Originally posted by rushfan4 rushfan4 wrote:

Originally posted by infandous infandous wrote:

Originally posted by Roland113 Roland113 wrote:

Originally posted by M27Barney M27Barney wrote:

Originally posted by Roland113 Roland113 wrote:

Hey Rob (Barney) . . . 

I was listening to "I am the Sun" this morning and something hit me.  There's the bit in the middle that you refer to as 'the daft part'.  All this time I thought that you didn't like it just because of the weirdness and the 'Heart in San Francisco' bit.  It just hit me today . . . it's the sax, isn't it?
Aye - I am not that fond of the old saxophonist - I consider it a JAZZ instrument - wherever you have a sax bit - should have been a mini-moog/hammond organ/guitar twiddle backed by luscious mellotron........
This is possibly why i think that VDGG is WAY overrated - that and I hate the singing for some reason....

Don't get me started, I got something by Van der Graaff Generator out of the bargin bin years ago and am still bitter over the loss of that dollar.  It's good for clearing the house and that's about it.  Seriously, I think the conversation goes something like this . . . 

Tom:  I think I'm going to put on some Van der Graff . . . 
Marianne (wife of Tom):  Hey Tori (daughter of Tom) Daddy needs some alone time, let's go grocery shopping.
Tom:  But we just went shopping yesterday.
Marianne:  I'm certain there's something that we forgot.



Love, love, love Van der Graaf Generator.  Easily in my top 10 bands of all time.  Love saxophones as well, especially in prog rock.  I could understand not liking Hammill's vocals, though I liked them the first time I heard them.  The sax though..........I've known other people who couldn't stand the sound of it, and I just don't understand that at all.  To each his own, I guess.

 
With VDGG, I generally refer to the sax playing as the sound of strangling cats, as that is what it reminds me of.

Scott,

I think I've heard that before cause every time I hear the name of the band, my mind immediately goes to cats in pain.  You've warped me . . . thanks for that!

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Originally posted by infandous infandous wrote:

Originally posted by Roland113 Roland113 wrote:

Originally posted by M27Barney M27Barney wrote:

Originally posted by Roland113 Roland113 wrote:

Hey Rob (Barney) . . . 

I was listening to "I am the Sun" this morning and something hit me.  There's the bit in the middle that you refer to as 'the daft part'.  All this time I thought that you didn't like it just because of the weirdness and the 'Heart in San Francisco' bit.  It just hit me today . . . it's the sax, isn't it?
Aye - I am not that fond of the old saxophonist - I consider it a JAZZ instrument - wherever you have a sax bit - should have been a mini-moog/hammond organ/guitar twiddle backed by luscious mellotron........
This is possibly why i think that VDGG is WAY overrated - that and I hate the singing for some reason....

Don't get me started, I got something by Van der Graaff Generator out of the bargin bin years ago and am still bitter over the loss of that dollar.  It's good for clearing the house and that's about it.  Seriously, I think the conversation goes something like this . . . 

Tom:  I think I'm going to put on some Van der Graff . . . 
Marianne (wife of Tom):  Hey Tori (daughter of Tom) Daddy needs some alone time, let's go grocery shopping.
Tom:  But we just went shopping yesterday.
Marianne:  I'm certain there's something that we forgot.



Love, love, love Van der Graaf Generator.  Easily in my top 10 bands of all time.  Love saxophones as well, especially in prog rock.  I could understand not liking Hammill's vocals, though I liked them the first time I heard them.  The sax though..........I've known other people who couldn't stand the sound of it, and I just don't understand that at all.  To each his own, I guess.

 
With VDGG, I generally refer to the sax playing as the sound of strangling cats, as that is what it reminds me of.
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Originally posted by Roland113 Roland113 wrote:

Originally posted by M27Barney M27Barney wrote:

Originally posted by Roland113 Roland113 wrote:

Hey Rob (Barney) . . . 

I was listening to "I am the Sun" this morning and something hit me.  There's the bit in the middle that you refer to as 'the daft part'.  All this time I thought that you didn't like it just because of the weirdness and the 'Heart in San Francisco' bit.  It just hit me today . . . it's the sax, isn't it?
Aye - I am not that fond of the old saxophonist - I consider it a JAZZ instrument - wherever you have a sax bit - should have been a mini-moog/hammond organ/guitar twiddle backed by luscious mellotron........
This is possibly why i think that VDGG is WAY overrated - that and I hate the singing for some reason....

Don't get me started, I got something by Van der Graaff Generator out of the bargin bin years ago and am still bitter over the loss of that dollar.  It's good for clearing the house and that's about it.  Seriously, I think the conversation goes something like this . . . 

Tom:  I think I'm going to put on some Van der Graff . . . 
Marianne (wife of Tom):  Hey Tori (daughter of Tom) Daddy needs some alone time, let's go grocery shopping.
Tom:  But we just went shopping yesterday.
Marianne:  I'm certain there's something that we forgot.



Love, love, love Van der Graaf Generator.  Easily in my top 10 bands of all time.  Love saxophones as well, especially in prog rock.  I could understand not liking Hammill's vocals, though I liked them the first time I heard them.  The sax though..........I've known other people who couldn't stand the sound of it, and I just don't understand that at all.  To each his own, I guess.

 
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I saw them in a 2,000 seat theater that had great sound, is that close enough?
Wow! That's quite a size for TFK. Where was this and how many seats did they sell?

Quote As much as I'd love to see the FK's have more success, I'd much rather see them in smaller venues with good sound than some big, echoing arena setting where the volume is deafening.
I agree but I sometimes dream of seeing them being able to afford the kind of production that Genesis or Pink Floyd used to put on or that the likes of Coldplay and Muse put on these days. They really deserve it in my opinion. Imagine the end of  "I Am The Sun" with the full "Afterglow" treatment - gives me goosebumps just thinking about it Wink





Okay, it was actually a 1850 seat theater, it was Nearfest 2003 and it sold out.  So I cheated a bit Embarrassed  However, it WAS great to see them on a stage befitting their talents.......not to mention one where the 7 man lineup didn't seem crowded on stage.

Generally though, I think they more than deserve the kind of production those bands you mentioned get.
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Originally posted by M27Barney M27Barney wrote:

Originally posted by Roland113 Roland113 wrote:

Hey Rob (Barney) . . . 

I was listening to "I am the Sun" this morning and something hit me.  There's the bit in the middle that you refer to as 'the daft part'.  All this time I thought that you didn't like it just because of the weirdness and the 'Heart in San Francisco' bit.  It just hit me today . . . it's the sax, isn't it?
Aye - I am not that fond of the old saxophonist - I consider it a JAZZ instrument - wherever you have a sax bit - should have been a mini-moog/hammond organ/guitar twiddle backed by luscious mellotron........
This is possibly why i think that VDGG is WAY overrated - that and I hate the singing for some reason....

Don't get me started, I got something by Van der Graaff Generator out of the bargin bin years ago and am still bitter over the loss of that dollar.  It's good for clearing the house and that's about it.  Seriously, I think the conversation goes something like this . . . 

Tom:  I think I'm going to put on some Van der Graff . . . 
Marianne (wife of Tom):  Hey Tori (daughter of Tom) Daddy needs some alone time, let's go grocery shopping.
Tom:  But we just went shopping yesterday.
Marianne:  I'm certain there's something that we forgot.
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