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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Vibrationbaby Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 31 2012 at 14:18
Why are you so argumentative? Obviously you have never served in any military. I'm done. 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Equality 7-2521 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 31 2012 at 14:22
By argumentative do you mean that I have a different opinion than you and that I like to bring up differences given that this is a forum meant for discussion?

I have not served in the military, and I intend to never do so. I don't see how that invalidates my opinion.


Edited by Equality 7-2521 - August 31 2012 at 14:30
"One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. "
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Pathmark employee shoots and kills 2 employees and himself during overnight shift.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/01/nyregion/shooting-at-a-new-jersey-pathmark-leaves-3-dead.html

This happened like a mile away from my house Unhappy
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Vibrationbaby Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 31 2012 at 15:01
These shootings in the US only make page 12 or 16 in my local paper The Montréal Gazette while if there is a shooting in Canada it makes front page. Unfortunately it has become somewhat of a regular occurence south of the border. An AK 47? That's no BB gun.I live two blocks away from where a shooting occurred at Dawson College in Sept. 2006. Everyone was evacuated for I think well past Greene Ave.until very late in the night  because they thought there was more than one shooter. One student was killed and sevral others wounded . The cops managed to kill the lone gunman who was armed to the teeth.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote darkshade Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 31 2012 at 15:04
As far as the newspaper goes, it happened at like 4am last night, which is too late for it to be published in the papers today. Tomorrow, if it's not front page news, I'll be angry.
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Glad you are alright.  I saw that story and immediately thought of you and JJ.  Of course, I had no idea how close that shooting was to you, I just saw that it was in New Jersey.  I figure odds are against it being someone that I "know" but the thought still crept into my mind.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote The T Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 31 2012 at 15:15
Originally posted by Vibrationbaby Vibrationbaby wrote:

Ex-Seal Team 6 Operative Writes Book On Bin Laden AssasinationI don't really have the time to write out the links but a guy who's real name is Matt Bissonette an ex-member of Seal Team 6 who was one of the first guys in ( right behind the point man ) has written a book entitled No Easy Day that is due for publication next month. It condradicts the official version in many ways. The Seal community is furious and the Pentagon is considering legal action against him but since the guy is highly decorated government lawyers think that this will b an obstacle for the prosecution. Personally I think the guy is a f**king a****le and has let his fellow soldiers down. I was in the military if we were told to clam up about something we damn well followed the order.

Of course the army and government will want to silence anybody who wants to tell a different truth than the "official" one. I hope he sells truckloads of books and millions read his version of the events.
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He will. When Andy McNab ( real name Steve Mitchel )  wrote Bravo Two Zero he was an instant millionaire. He wrote a few mare ``factual '' accounts about his experiences with 22 SAS. Most of what he wrote in Bravo Two Zero was debunked in a book by another guy who served in '' The Regiment ''. For example the escape in the NY taxi was defacto an old  Toyota pick -up. So when something like the Seal Team 6 mission or any special forces mission is documented there is bound to be ambiguities. McNab or Mitchel has gone on to write novels about special forces operations and has mad a fortune. When I was in the military I was on a survival course where  one of the instructors was Australian SAS. These guys are a breed apart believe me. I just don't understand why some of them  have to tell the world about classified missions. Those who have served in the military know everything operates  through what is known as chain of command and need-to-know. It is a very unfair profession and can be very frustrating at times when you don't know why the f**k you're doing something.

I think the most accurate account of special operations mission was 90 secohds at Entebbe by journalist William Stephenson. After the raid the Israelis more or less revealed all the details in just days after it's success..

BTW if the book does come out I'll go out and buy a copy just out of curiosity. I'm not prepared to believe everything the guy say at any rate. 

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Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

Originally posted by Vibrationbaby Vibrationbaby wrote:

Ex-Seal Team 6 Operative Writes Book On Bin Laden AssasinationI don't really have the time to write out the links but a guy who's real name is Matt Bissonette an ex-member of Seal Team 6 who was one of the first guys in ( right behind the point man ) has written a book entitled No Easy Day that is due for publication next month. It condradicts the official version in many ways. The Seal community is furious and the Pentagon is considering legal action against him but since the guy is highly decorated government lawyers think that this will b an obstacle for the prosecution. Personally I think the guy is a f**king a****le and has let his fellow soldiers down. I was in the military if we were told to clam up about something we damn well followed the order.

Of course the army and government will want to silence anybody who wants to tell a different truth than the "official" one. I hope he sells truckloads of books and millions read his version of the events.


This is the whole reason we have freedom of speech and freedom of the press to begin with, so the government can't monopolize the flow of information and shut down dissenting opinions. It should be very interesting to see what the guy has to say.
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Nice how everyone's assuming this SEAL is legitimate and whatever gets published will be in anyway the truth.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote The T Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 01 2012 at 10:30
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Nice how everyone's assuming this SEAL is legitimate and whatever gets published will be in anyway the truth.
Nice how you assume that. I guess supporting a guy being free to say anything not approved by the government already qualifies as assuming he's telling the truth?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote thellama73 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 01 2012 at 11:00
Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Nice how everyone's assuming this SEAL is legitimate and whatever gets published will be in anyway the truth.
Nice how you assume that. I guess supporting a guy being free to say anything not approved by the government already qualifies as assuming he's telling the truth?


I never said anything about whether he's telling the truth, I said it be interesting to see what he has to say. Obviously I would take anything in the book with a huge grain of salt. He well be lying for money and fame, but I'm still glad we live in a country where the government can't arrest him for writing a book.
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Originally posted by thellama73 thellama73 wrote:

Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Nice how everyone's assuming this SEAL is legitimate and whatever gets published will be in anyway the truth.
Nice how you assume that. I guess supporting a guy being free to say anything not approved by the government already qualifies as assuming he's telling the truth?


I never said anything about whether he's telling the truth, I said it be interesting to see what he has to say. Obviously I would take anything in the book with a huge grain of salt. He well be lying for money and fame, but I'm still glad we live in a country where the government can't arrest him for writing a book.
Since no one had questioned his legitimacy it was a fair assumption. Propaganda takes many forms, including fabricated "true life accounts", so who is to say that this SEAL and his version of events isn't a fabrication of the security services.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote thellama73 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 01 2012 at 11:17
Well now you're just being paranoid.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Dean Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 01 2012 at 11:24

Well, duh. The point is everyone jumps to the conclusion that suits them best. Of course the odds are that this guy is genuine, and either way I think he's probably a dead man walking now that Al Qaeda knows who he is. I suspect that the book will be vetted before publication whether anyone admits that publically or not.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Epignosis Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 01 2012 at 11:27
Not news, but this is the best driver license photo I've ever taken.  Approve
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Epignosis Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 01 2012 at 16:07
Can you imagine reading a headline like this ten years ago?

Chilling tweets from supermarket shooter
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote The T Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 01 2012 at 16:17
No but I can imagine wanting to kill your coworkers sometimes
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote CPicard Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 01 2012 at 17:23
Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

No but I can imagine wanting to kill your coworkers sometimes


I can already see the front page: "A prog-rock fan talked about killing his coworkers on a public forum".
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The world isn't ready for unhyphenated 'co-worker' just yet, we've need to wait until all the cows are extinct.
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