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refugee
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Rob, this is cheating! The correct quotes are: The killings shook the nation of five million which had prided itself as a safe haven from much of the world's troubles, raising questions about the prevalence of far-right views in a country where oil wealth has attracted rising immigration. And: Some Norwegians now believe their country must draw on the experience to debate issues like immigration, and a commission investigating the attack also concluded the country need radical changes, including gun controls and more sweeping police powers. You can’t just mix sentences like that and make it look like a quote. And for your last one: Although his victims were mostly teenagers, with some as young as 14, he rejected being called a child murderer, arguing that his victims were brainwashed "cultural Marxists" whose political activism would adulterate pure Norwegian blood. FYI: The debate on immigration has lasted for many, many years in Norway. It’s not more openly discussed now than it used to be. It’s the same all over Europe – in Sweden, Denmark, UK, France, Greece etc. From now on I’ll not trust your quotes. At least you inserted a link so we could read the article. And also, you must have known that he will not serve 21 years but much, much more, so your mathematics is irrelevant. Sorry if I seem a bit angry. That’s because I am a bit angry. |
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Epignosis
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I did not "cheat." I copied and pasted the words from the source. If it is different now, then someone from Yahoo edited it after I quoted it. As a matter of fact, I still have the old version up in my browser:
I have made bold what I directly quoted. |
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refugee
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My apologies. They must have changed the article after you posted, cause those quotes are not there now:
http://news.yahoo.com/court-finds-norwegian-mass-killer-breivik-sane-082140655.html Shake hands? |
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He say nothing is quite what it seems;
I say nothing is nothing (Peter Hammill) |
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Epignosis
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No worries! A question for you though: Do you believe he will spend life in prison (or most of his life)? If so, why? |
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refugee
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Yes, I think he will because:
1. His sentence was what we call "forvaring", or "preventive detention". That’s the only way you can get a life sentence in Norway. They will look at his case again after he has served the first sentence, and if they still find he’s a threat to the community, they will not let him out. 2. The trial has been extremely detailed about how he commited his crimes. This has been done deliberately so that the people looking at his case again will see how hideous his crimes were. 3. He has shown no sign of remorse. On the contrary, he sees himself as a hero, warrior and martyr, and I’m pretty sure he will continue to do so. That also makes him a real threat; he would do it again if he could. Have to go shopping now, we need more wine. |
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He say nothing is quite what it seems;
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Vibrationbaby
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Well. you don't want to know what I would do with the jerk.
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timothy leary
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^Tell us......we can handle it
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Vibrationbaby
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I'd throw him in a cell with a hole in the ground as a toilet with no blanket wearing a hospital gown 8 feet by 10 feet and feed him bread and water for the rest of his life and maybe on Christmas I would put butter on the bread and flavour crystals in the water that's if I was feeling in a festive mood. What do you think of that?
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timothy leary
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I think you are being soft with the Christmas thing
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rushfan4
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I might have thought that you would throw him into a hole in the ground that was a toilet and let every relative of his victims use it. Maybe even make it into a tourist attraction so anyone who wants a chance can also take a dump in that hole in the ground.
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timothy leary
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Now we are talking...........
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Equality 7-2521
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I think that would definitely bring all those people back from the dead. |
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Epignosis
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Neither does jailing him. |
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Equality 7-2521
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That prevents him from repeating the act. I'm not sure that inhumane conditions have any effect on that.
(Yeah I know the comment is a straw man but I was being pithy) |
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Epignosis
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People kill people in prison too. |
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Dean
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(not for the first time today, or ever) I agree with Pat.
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The T
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I'm not such a fan of a system where one is given a sentence and then, after completing the entire sentence, one can be retained in jail for preventive purposes. Of what damn worth is a sentence and a legal system if consequences of, and punishment for, actions is not known? I probably need more explanations maybe I don't understand this Norwegian legal figure properly.
Either give him 100 years or 20 but give a convicted felon a clear sentence. |
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Equality 7-2521
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I thought we didn't care about people in prison anyway? |
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Slartibartfast
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Actually it seems a different way of accomplishing the same thing. We give some people with life sentences the possibility of parole, but some will inevitably be in prison for life despite that. What gets me is this whole multiple life sentences thing or sentences beyond realistic life expectancy. Keep that corpse behind bars!!!!
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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The T
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^let's keep those b*****ds from enjoying some necrophilic looovin'...
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