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Posted: August 10 2012 at 23:49
rogerthat wrote:
His English seems to be as bad as Stolt's (or he's just getting agitated), so we should give some benefit of doubt for that. However, he has been somewhat defensive-aggressive in this discussion. That's not really called for on a forum where the art of disagreeing agreeably is valued. If you want to boss people into accepting your viewpoints about Stolt or Wilson, please don't initiate discussions on PA, that's not what it's about. We don't need no fanboys, either which way.
Thank you Darkshade and Rogerthat, I really appreciate your
good intentions.
English is not my first language but it’s pretty
obvious even for me that this mirror image needs at least some ESL classes, if
not something else (sorry, my English skills won’t help me to be more subtle). From
the original purpose of getting people opinions about who’s right and who’s
wrong this “senior member” (I know, I am being sarcastic - no harm is meant to
others) transformed this thread into a personal vendetta against SW’s behavior
(OK, SW is a sinner, but is mirror image God to judge him?). The thing is this
thread initiator is nothing else than an immature fan boy.
Sorry for the heat - actually all I wanted
was to enjoy my holyday in a pleasurable way, reading and expressing my
opinions about what I love so much: progressive rock.
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Posted: August 11 2012 at 00:00
napoca wrote:
rogerthat wrote:
His English seems to be as bad as Stolt's (or he's just getting agitated), so we should give some benefit of doubt for that. However, he has been somewhat defensive-aggressive in this discussion. That's not really called for on a forum where the art of disagreeing agreeably is valued. If you want to boss people into accepting your viewpoints about Stolt or Wilson, please don't initiate discussions on PA, that's not what it's about. We don't need no fanboys, either which way.
Thank you Rogerthat, I really appreciate your
good intentions.
English is not my first language but it’s pretty
obvious even for me that this mirror image needs at least some ESL classes, if
not something else (sorry, my English skills won’t help me to be more subtle). From
the original purpose of getting people opinions about who’s right and who’s
wrong this “senior member” (I know, I am being sarcastic - no harm is meant to
others) transformed this thread into a personal vendetta against SW’s behavior
(OK, SW is a sinner, but is mirror image God to judge him?). The thing is this
thread initiator is nothing else than an immature fan boy.
Sorry for the heat - actually all I wanted
was to enjoy my holyday in a pleasurable way, reading and expressing my
opinions about what I love so much: progressive rock.
Hmmm...there's nothing wrong with my English, but rather that I simply made a mistake in the presentation of my thoughts that post. I also apologized to you if you go back the previous page. It WAS NOT my intention to say anything offensive to you. I was referring to Wilson the entire time. I don't know you so why would I personally attack you or anyone else here for that matter? This was all a simple misunderstanding which I account, again, for my lack of clarity in presenting my ideas in a legible way, but I see I failed miserably here and I simply was typing faster than my mind could think! Again, please accept my apologies and, no, I'm not a fanboy but I am somebody who thought Wilson was out of line, but, like anyone, he has the freedom to express himself however he feels. This thread was, more or less, a way to get other's input and to see different sides of the coin. That's all really. Nothing more, nothing less.
Edited by Mirror Image - August 11 2012 at 00:00
“Music is enough for a lifetime but a lifetime is not enough for music.” - Sergei Rachmaninov
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Posted: August 11 2012 at 00:11
Mirror Image wrote:
napoca wrote:
rogerthat wrote:
His English seems to be as bad as Stolt's (or he's just getting agitated), so we should give some benefit of doubt for that. However, he has been somewhat defensive-aggressive in this discussion. That's not really called for on a forum where the art of disagreeing agreeably is valued. If you want to boss people into accepting your viewpoints about Stolt or Wilson, please don't initiate discussions on PA, that's not what it's about. We don't need no fanboys, either which way.
Thank you Rogerthat, I really appreciate your
good intentions.
English is not my first language but it’s pretty
obvious even for me that this mirror image needs at least some ESL classes, if
not something else (sorry, my English skills won’t help me to be more subtle). From
the original purpose of getting people opinions about who’s right and who’s
wrong this “senior member” (I know, I am being sarcastic - no harm is meant to
others) transformed this thread into a personal vendetta against SW’s behavior
(OK, SW is a sinner, but is mirror image God to judge him?). The thing is this
thread initiator is nothing else than an immature fan boy.
Sorry for the heat - actually all I wanted
was to enjoy my holyday in a pleasurable way, reading and expressing my
opinions about what I love so much: progressive rock.
Hmmm...there's nothing wrong with my English, but rather that I simply made a mistake in the presentation of my thoughts that post. I also apologized to you if you go back the previous page. It WAS NOT my intention to say anything offensive to you. I was referring to Wilson the entire time. I don't know you so why would I personally attack you or anyone else here for that matter? This was all a simple misunderstanding which I account, again, for my lack of clarity in presenting my ideas in a legible way, but I see I failed miserably here and I simply was typing faster than my mind could think! Again, please accept my apologies and, no, I'm not a fanboy but I am somebody who thought Wilson was out of line, but, like anyone, he has the freedom to express himself however he feels. This thread was, more or less, a way to get other's input and to see different sides of the coin. That's all really. Nothing more, nothing less.
I really believe you "nothing more, nothing less" but 'Hmmm..." there is something wrong with your English. There's no need to appologize, actually when I read the interview I had the same reaction as yours - disgust against an arrogant oppinion (SW'a for clarity ).
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Posted: August 11 2012 at 00:16
napoca wrote:
I really believe you "nothing more, nothing less" but 'Hmmm..." there is something wrong with your English. There's no need to appologize, actually when I read the interview I had the same reaction as yours - disgust against an arrogant oppinion (SW'a for clarity ).
Well, I made a mistake in my native tongue. It happens. Let's move on...
“Music is enough for a lifetime but a lifetime is not enough for music.” - Sergei Rachmaninov
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Posted: August 11 2012 at 00:24
Mirror Image wrote:
napoca wrote:
I really believe you "nothing more, nothing less" but 'Hmmm..." there is something wrong with your English. There's no need to appologize, actually when I read the interview I had the same reaction as yours - disgust against an arrogant oppinion (SW'a for clarity ).
Well, I made a mistake in my native tongue. It happens. Let's move on...
Yeah, you didn't like it, did you? But let's move on
Time Flies would have been a more obvious example for me
This is from his UPCOMING NEW SOLO ALBUM, what makes me wonder of he really changed his mind.
sounds interesting to me (I will definetly be getting it anyway). I suspect that his 'attitude' may have softened a bit on the retro prog thing but just in case it hasn't I think we should carry on branding him a raving ego maniac until he makes a grovelling apology to Roine
That interview with Wilson was from years ago, though. I think his stance on progressive rock may have softened since then. SW didn't used to like being called 'prog'. I think he's embraced the label now. Certainly, a lot of the material on Grace for Drowning sounded like 70s prog (Crimson, Tull, etc). Luminol definitely has that Yes kind of feel. I am interested, I have the new blu ray on pre-order
Hello, mirror. So glad to see you, my friend. It's been a while...
Time Flies would have been a more obvious example for me
This is from his UPCOMING NEW SOLO ALBUM, what makes me wonder of he really changed his mind.
sounds interesting to me (I will definetly be getting it anyway). I suspect that his 'attitude' may have softened a bit on the retro prog thing but just in case it hasn't I think we should carry on branding him a raving ego maniac until he makes a grovelling apology to Roine
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Posted: August 15 2012 at 01:14
So I've been doing a lot of thinking about Steven Wilson and have come to conclusion that regardless of what he said and how much I disagree with it, he is a great musician and songwriter. I plan on giving his music more a chance to grow on me. I ordered Fear Of A Blank Planet tonight after watching this:
“Music is enough for a lifetime but a lifetime is not enough for music.” - Sergei Rachmaninov
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Posted: August 15 2012 at 10:48
Mirror Image wrote:
So I've been doing a lot of thinking about Steven Wilson and have come to conclusion that regardless of what he said and how much I disagree with it, he is a great musician and songwriter. I plan on giving his music more a chance to grow on me. I ordered Fear Of A Blank Planet tonight after watching this:
I don't like too much the first two songs from the album, but I think Anestethize is one of his best song he ever wrote. Enjoy it.
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Posted: August 15 2012 at 11:12
napoca wrote:
Mirror Image wrote:
So I've been doing a lot of thinking about Steven Wilson and have come to conclusion that regardless of what he said and how much I disagree with it, he is a great musician and songwriter. I plan on giving his music more a chance to grow on me. I ordered Fear Of A Blank Planet tonight after watching this:
I don't like too much the first two songs from the album, but I think Anestethize is one of his best song he ever wrote. Enjoy it.
Yes, Anesthetize is just superb. I love all the moods and emotions it goes through in the span of just 12 minutes.
Edited by Mirror Image - August 15 2012 at 11:13
“Music is enough for a lifetime but a lifetime is not enough for music.” - Sergei Rachmaninov
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Posted: August 15 2012 at 14:20
Mirror Image wrote:
So I've been doing a lot of thinking about Steven Wilson and have come to conclusion that regardless of what he said and how much I disagree with it, he is a great musician and songwriter. I plan on giving his music more a chance to grow on me. I ordered Fear Of A Blank Planet tonight after watching this:
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Posted: August 16 2012 at 11:39
richardh wrote:
The thing that annoys me about that later interview is Steven's apparent ignorance of the English indie band Mansun that existed in the nineties (they are in PA). They released some very proggy stuff long before Radiohead withough being the slightest bit derivative of seventies prog (although a bit Beatles pastichey admittedly). Its a bit of a self conscously cool thing to do give credit to Radiohead for a prog revival which perhaps does reinforce the opinion put forward that he is a somewhat insecure person who needs to be seen as 'with it'.
Long before? Didn't Mansun release their debut album, Attack of the Grey Lantern, the same year as Radiohead released their third album, OK Computer?
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Posted: August 16 2012 at 14:29
The Bearded Bard wrote:
richardh wrote:
The thing that annoys me about that later interview is Steven's apparent ignorance of the English indie band Mansun that existed in the nineties (they are in PA). They released some very proggy stuff long before Radiohead withough being the slightest bit derivative of seventies prog (although a bit Beatles pastichey admittedly). Its a bit of a self conscously cool thing to do give credit to Radiohead for a prog revival which perhaps does reinforce the opinion put forward that he is a somewhat insecure person who needs to be seen as 'with it'.
Long before? Didn't Mansun release their debut album, Attack of the Grey Lantern, the same year as Radiohead released their third album, OK Computer?
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