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Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

Originally posted by The Doctor The Doctor wrote:

Let's put this in a purely economic setting.  Let's say you have 10 sellers in an area of bread.  Each of those sellers have different prices, offer different types of bread and everyone in town, through one store or another (although not all options may be available to them) can buy bread.  Now lets say one of two things happen.  Either one of the sellers of bread buys out all the others, or the 10 sellers get together to collude on price, product and who they will sell to.  They will exclude certain people from being able to buy bread at all, they will from now on only sell white wonder bread, and they will charge $15 a loaf on that bread.  Suddenly, people no longer have any choices as to what kind of bread they will buy, how much they will pay for it, and some will even lose the right to buy bread at all.  This is called a monopoly or oligopoly, I'm sure you know the term.  How does this not reduce the freedom of everyone in that town, with the exception of the bread sellers?  I'm afraid to some degree freedom is a zero sum game.  The more freedom you give to one group (in this case the bread sellers), the less another group (the bread buyers) has.  There is a balance there somewhere.  And that balance is not to give all the freedom to the sellers of bread for then you are limiting the freedom of everyone else.

The above should read:  10 sellers of bread in an area.  No the area is not made of bread. Tongue


But in your scenario, I just won't eat bread.  What is so f**king hard about that?

Your problem, Chester, is that all your models assume there is one product and one buyer.  That is never the case.  We have multiple buyers and multiple products.  Try again.




Oh wow.  You are so right.  How could I have been so blind?  You've convinced me Robert.  Thank you, oh thank you for showing me the only true and correct way to think.  I can now not wait to let corporate america have complete and total control over my life.  As long as we call it freedom. 


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Originally posted by The Doctor The Doctor wrote:

Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

Originally posted by The Doctor The Doctor wrote:

Let's put this in a purely economic setting.  Let's say you have 10 sellers in an area of bread.  Each of those sellers have different prices, offer different types of bread and everyone in town, through one store or another (although not all options may be available to them) can buy bread.  Now lets say one of two things happen.  Either one of the sellers of bread buys out all the others, or the 10 sellers get together to collude on price, product and who they will sell to.  They will exclude certain people from being able to buy bread at all, they will from now on only sell white wonder bread, and they will charge $15 a loaf on that bread.  Suddenly, people no longer have any choices as to what kind of bread they will buy, how much they will pay for it, and some will even lose the right to buy bread at all.  This is called a monopoly or oligopoly, I'm sure you know the term.  How does this not reduce the freedom of everyone in that town, with the exception of the bread sellers?  I'm afraid to some degree freedom is a zero sum game.  The more freedom you give to one group (in this case the bread sellers), the less another group (the bread buyers) has.  There is a balance there somewhere.  And that balance is not to give all the freedom to the sellers of bread for then you are limiting the freedom of everyone else.

The above should read:  10 sellers of bread in an area.  No the area is not made of bread. Tongue


But in your scenario, I just won't eat bread.  What is so f**king hard about that?

Your problem, Chester, is that all your models assume there is one product and one buyer.  That is never the case.  We have multiple buyers and multiple products.  Try again.




Oh wow.  You are so right.  How could I have been so blind?  You've convinced me Robert.  Thank you, oh thank you for showing me the only true and correct way to think.  I can now not wait to let corporate america have complete and total control over my life.  As long as we call it freedom. 
 
Yes, I do hope you have learnt your lesson well.  Next time you try something silly like using a model to put across a point make sure you make it realistic.  You should realise by now that producers are only interested in happy customers and that all the imperfections in the market are due to Government getting in the way of corporations stated aims of keeping us all in that happy state.
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Oh and we can all eat brioche (Thanks Lemming LOL )
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Originally posted by akamaisondufromage akamaisondufromage wrote:

Oh and we can all eat brioche (Thanks Lemming LOL )



Or lompe.  LOL
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Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

Originally posted by akamaisondufromage akamaisondufromage wrote:

Oh and we can all eat brioche (Thanks Lemming LOL )



Or lompe.  LOL
 
True But what kind of society is it that would force that on us?  Unhappy
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Doc, please read this article:


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That's because it's a Ponzi scheme, you nitwits. 

"Social Security is what's carrying me," said Neta Homier, a 79-year-old retired hospital worker from Toledo, Ohio. "There's no way I would have made it without it. The kids, they're on their own, now, and I'm not going to be a burden for them. That's what it would have been if I hadn't had Social Security."

Homier said she started receiving Social Security when she was 63 and now gets about $800 a month, after her Medicare premiums are deducted. She said her father died at 51, so he never received Social Security, and her mother died at 71 and collected benefits for only a few years.

"It's definitely worth it," she said.


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^ Has anyone wondered where some of their social security money goes to? Wacko
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Originally posted by King of Loss King of Loss wrote:

^ Has anyone wondered where some of their social security money goes to? Wacko


Congress takes it.

Even George W. Bush said so.

“A lot of people in America think there is a trust — that we take your money in payroll taxes and then we hold it for you and then when you retire, we give it back to you,” Bush said in a speech at the University of West Virginia at Parkersburg.

“But that’s not the way it works,” Bush said. “There is no trust ‘fund’ — just IOUs that I saw firsthand,” Bush said.
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Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

Originally posted by King of Loss King of Loss wrote:

^ Has anyone wondered where some of their social security money goes to? Wacko


Congress takes it.

Even George W. Bush said so.

“A lot of people in America think there is a trust — that we take your money in payroll taxes and then we hold it for you and then when you retire, we give it back to you,” Bush said in a speech at the University of West Virginia at Parkersburg.

“But that’s not the way it works,” Bush said. “There is no trust ‘fund’ — just IOUs that I saw firsthand,” Bush said.



Typical uneducated masses. Many would prefer to live in cages if they were given enough bananas!Angry
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The bombing of Hiroshima had its anniversary yesterday. It chills me that the event occurred and that I once supported it. 
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Even worse, no mention of it anywhere in the media as an event worthy of remembrance for all the bad reasons. In fact, even I, a lover of history, totally forgot about it. Two days to Nagasaki.

At least I can say even in my most ridiculous times in terms of world view (and I have had quite a few), I never supported the quickest mass murder in history.
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Then let's remember Nagasaki 9th August 1945 as the last city ever to experience a nuclear attack.
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I hope so. Some people in the middle east and some idiot neo-cons around these areas might not want to agree with that "last" part.
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Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Then let's remember Nagasaki 9th August 1945 as the last city ever to experience a nuclear attack.



Agreed. Hopefully this statement remains true.



Hiroshima before and after
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It's sad that none ever mentions Dresden as another example of mass murder.
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Because schools spent more time trying to ban Slaughterhouse V for its lewd scenes rather than digesting some of its message. 
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Points: 17493 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 07 2012 at 10:28
Damn I have to confess some ignorance so I had to google more about that book

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You've never read it Cry

I thought we were friends.
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Well, it's not a problem that can't be fixed.

Though first I have been forced to read all I can about the Peruvian Nazi Party of the other thread...
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