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mono 
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Posted: August 03 2012 at 04:43 |
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Hello,
I just want to get some experience in mixing, I've been doing that for more than 2 years now (about 12 tracks), but want to gain a broader perspective in musical styles and sounds.
You can send me anything from a single violin track to twenty layers of complex symphonic.
Reply here if interested, and PM me for dropbox details.
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https://soundcloud.com/why-music Prog trio, from ambiant to violence
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UMUR
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Posted: August 03 2012 at 08:00 |
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Sounds like a great offer. I wish I had something I could send to you.
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mono
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Posted: August 03 2012 at 08:21 |
what are you waiting for? start recording! 
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https://soundcloud.com/why-music Prog trio, from ambiant to violence
https://soundcloud.com/m0n0-film Film music and production projects
https://soundcloud.com/fadisaliba (almost) everything else
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Triceratopsoil
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Posted: August 03 2012 at 13:28 |
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I might be interested in this. Once I'm home next week I'll see about recording some of my ideas and such I've written down, I have a huge pile of handdrawn tabs and chord charts and surely something in there is finished
Edited by Triceratopsoil - August 03 2012 at 13:28
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smartpatrol
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Posted: August 03 2012 at 13:53 |
Next time I record a song, I'll send you the tracks. 
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NotAProghead
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Posted: August 03 2012 at 14:14 |
 mono wrote:
I just want to get some experience in mixing...
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Do you offer stereo mixes too? 
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Who are you and who am I to say we know the reason why... (D. Gilmour)
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mono
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Posted: August 03 2012 at 17:20 |
That's most of it, yes @Triceratopsoil: anytime
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https://soundcloud.com/why-music Prog trio, from ambiant to violence
https://soundcloud.com/m0n0-film Film music and production projects
https://soundcloud.com/fadisaliba (almost) everything else
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stonebeard
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Posted: August 03 2012 at 17:47 |
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What DAW do you use. I can possibly send you a full band session (drums, guitars, bass, keys) of things I did a year ago. 20+ tracks should give some experience.
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Logan
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Posted: August 03 2012 at 17:50 |
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When it comes to mixing, I prefer my tracks shaken, not stirred. I might take advantage of your offer in the future -- just need a new keyboard.
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Posted: August 03 2012 at 21:42 |
I c wat u did thar 
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infocat
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Posted: August 03 2012 at 22:21 |
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I know nothing about the making of music. What is "mixing", anyway?
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mono
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Posted: August 04 2012 at 02:06 |
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@stonebeard: Cubase (5), can also use Live (8), but would rather not to for mixing. And yes, 20+ tracks should be some great practice! (even though I will probably pick a few to mix, or else that would be my life for the next 6 months).
@infocat: when you make a recording or a live performance, you have the following issues:
- the mix is too blurry, and the instruments are not heard clearly.
For example the drums cover most other instruments, the bass can cover the bass drum or vice versa, or make it sound unnatural because of masking effects...
- The instrument dynamics (lowest amplitude to highest amplitude) are different from one instrument to another, so one might dominate when we don't want it to, etc...
- The instruments are panned by default at center, and thus sound as if all instruments were coming from the same spot.
- Recording or restitution material is far from perfect, and often need processing in order to get "more" out of the original material. Details are often missing compared to what we hear (our ears are probably the best microphones out there, or at least it's no use to use a microphone that can differentiate more than your ear can...)
- Recording is often performed in a very "dry" studio (very little to no room reverb), something which is unpleasant to most people.
The main goal of the mix is different from one type of music to another:
The following is not exhaustive, but gives a quick overview of what mixing represents for two "categories" (although I would hate to choose one for any track...)
- In acoustic and recorded music, mixing is mainly used to turn the recording into a real music scene in front of you, getting close to a virtual live performance (many different sources, reverberation,..). This challenge starts at recording, and goes on until the mastering stage (please google that, I don't feel like writing the Mastering wiki page here).
Mixing can also be used to add creative elements. For example, if you want your violin to sound like it's coming from a cave, or want your vocals sounding overly thick (growling is a great example, very few people can really growl without a proper mix) or silky as an ambient pad...
- In sequential/electronic music, mixing can be used for almost anything. From real scene restitution to virtual scene creation, it can be quite fun, but also quite long...
Hope that answered your questions. If not, John Google would be glad to fill up the blanks.
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https://soundcloud.com/why-music Prog trio, from ambiant to violence
https://soundcloud.com/m0n0-film Film music and production projects
https://soundcloud.com/fadisaliba (almost) everything else
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infocat
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Posted: August 04 2012 at 04:59 |
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Thanks mono. I considered googling, but thought it would be useful to hear it from someone here.
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mono
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Posted: August 04 2012 at 06:45 |
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^ my pleasure
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https://soundcloud.com/why-music Prog trio, from ambiant to violence
https://soundcloud.com/m0n0-film Film music and production projects
https://soundcloud.com/fadisaliba (almost) everything else
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Megaman90
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Posted: August 12 2012 at 21:51 |
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Sent in a track. ;) Hope you can make it sound good.
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Posted: August 13 2012 at 06:45 |
nice im going to pm you for this list.
Are they in HQ sound?
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kludge
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Posted: August 16 2012 at 00:20 |
@infocat:
Mixing is the process of combining an arbitrary number of individually recorded tracks (from one to hundreds) into a single stereo track (or perhaps surround sound, or mono). At its best, it's a musical art form, and the mix engineer exerts tremendous control over the final sound of the recording. I've been mixing records seriously since 2008, and to me, it is a type of musical performance, akin to playing an instrument or singing (I've played guitar for 30 years). I've done every phase of the recording process, from playing to recording to mixing to mastering to final production, and mixing is my favorite.
When a band is recorded in the studio, there are usually many different parts involved - drums, bass, guitars, keyboards, vocals, etc. Not all of these are necessarily recorded at the same time, there may be numerous takes of any given part, etc. The hard part is making it all fit together and sound clear and coherent.
Rather than talking tools, here's some philosophy. I think of a mix as a box. It has width (the stereo field), height (frequencies low to high), and depth (volume and dynamic range, quiet to loud). EVERY SINGLE SOUND has to fit inside that box. So the bigger any one sound is, the smaller all the rest must be to fit in the limits of the box. So to me, mixing is about shaping tracks to fit into the box gracefully, without getting in the way of other tracks. If you listen closely to any single instrument in a complex prog recording, you'd be surprised at how "small" it sounds. Even things that feel huge. A mix engineer who can make a part fit small but feel huge is a good one.
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Why doesn't the Earth fall? How can you walk upon it? It's the music. It's the music of the Earth, and the Sun, and the Stars. It's the music of yourself, vibrating.
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Posted: August 16 2012 at 02:51 |
^ A nice visualisation of soundstaging Dave, I use the same model myself. 
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mono
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Posted: August 17 2012 at 11:28 |
kludge wrote:
I think of a mix as a box. It has width (the stereo field), height (frequencies low to high), and depth (volume and dynamic range, quiet to loud). EVERY SINGLE SOUND has to fit inside that box. So the bigger any one sound is, the smaller all the rest must be to fit in the limits of the box. So to me, mixing is about shaping tracks to fit into the box gracefully, without getting in the way of other tracks. If you listen closely to any single instrument in a complex prog recording, you'd be surprised at how "small" it sounds. Even things that feel huge. A mix engineer who can make a part fit small but feel huge is a good one.
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I quite agree with this vision of mixing too! The problem is that people who aren't familiar with the process rarely effectively understand how mixing is actually performed when given this description...
I will be posting some mixes here and would love your impressions (from the 'naive' to the sound engineer...).
Also, maybe we should open a mixing thread here if enough people are interested?
Edited by mono - August 17 2012 at 11:29
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https://soundcloud.com/why-music Prog trio, from ambiant to violence
https://soundcloud.com/m0n0-film Film music and production projects
https://soundcloud.com/fadisaliba (almost) everything else
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kludge
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Posted: August 18 2012 at 00:37 |
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Or maybe a broader recording thread for home and semi-pro studios? I produce albums at home, and I suspect a lot of us do.
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Why doesn't the Earth fall? How can you walk upon it? It's the music. It's the music of the Earth, and the Sun, and the Stars. It's the music of yourself, vibrating.
-Sun Ra
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