Forum Home Forum Home > Topics not related to music > General discussions
  New Posts New Posts RSS Feed - "Freedom" thread or something
  FAQ FAQ  Forum Search   Events   Register Register  Login Login

Topic Closed"Freedom" thread or something
 Post Reply Post Reply Page  <1 5354555657 294>
Author
Message
  Topic Search Topic Search  Topic Options Topic Options
The T View Drop Down
Special Collaborator
Special Collaborator
Avatar
Honorary Collaborator

Joined: October 16 2006
Location: FL, USA
Status: Offline
Points: 17493 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 02 2012 at 10:27
Originally posted by timothy leary timothy leary wrote:

Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

Originally posted by thellama73 thellama73 wrote:

Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

Originally posted by Equality 7-2521 Equality 7-2521 wrote:

 
I might add twice as attractive too. Duly noted.
LOLClap

There's nothing as stupid in this world as people who qualify themselves as incredibly smart based on their own infantile immature self-aggrandizing low-self-esteem judgments. 


"As for me, all I know is that I know nothing," - Socrates
True wisdom. 

No it is not true wisdom
Ok
Back to Top
stonebeard View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: May 27 2005
Location: NE Indiana
Status: Offline
Points: 28057 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 02 2012 at 10:34
Socrates was pretty good, but it's hard to know what he thought or what Plato was projecting onto him.

Also, goddamn Mitt Romney is hilarious. There is just a neverending stream of lies coming out of his face and he doesn't care. 
My soundcloud. Please give feedback if you want!
Back to Top
Equality 7-2521 View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: August 11 2005
Location: Philly
Status: Offline
Points: 15784 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 02 2012 at 10:36
Does it matter? Whether the words be Socrates' or Plato's makes no difference. 
"One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. "
Back to Top
The T View Drop Down
Special Collaborator
Special Collaborator
Avatar
Honorary Collaborator

Joined: October 16 2006
Location: FL, USA
Status: Offline
Points: 17493 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 02 2012 at 10:40
I sense a Socrates vs Plato poll coming....
Back to Top
stonebeard View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: May 27 2005
Location: NE Indiana
Status: Offline
Points: 28057 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 02 2012 at 11:00
Originally posted by Equality 7-2521 Equality 7-2521 wrote:

Does it matter? Whether the words be Socrates' or Plato's makes no difference. 

Not really.

It is kind of funny that most (all?) of Plato's dialogues with So-crates happen in a few days of each other.

"Naw, man it's fine. Let's talk about the best society possible for like 6 hours while I'm on my way to my trial."
My soundcloud. Please give feedback if you want!
Back to Top
Equality 7-2521 View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: August 11 2005
Location: Philly
Status: Offline
Points: 15784 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 02 2012 at 11:07
There's probably a fair amount of parable considering the only 3 sources we have for his life. 
"One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. "
Back to Top
Epignosis View Drop Down
Special Collaborator
Special Collaborator
Avatar
Honorary Collaborator

Joined: December 30 2007
Location: Raeford, NC
Status: Offline
Points: 32550 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 02 2012 at 15:55
The IRS = THEIRS

Oh wait.
https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays
Back to Top
manofmystery View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: January 26 2008
Location: PA, USA
Status: Offline
Points: 4335 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 02 2012 at 17:45
Liberals Discover Their Inner Dick Cheney
 
At first I thought, based on the headline, that it'd be about them (*cough slarti*) continuing to turn their head to Bamers' Cheneylike foreign policy.


Time always wins.
Back to Top
Epignosis View Drop Down
Special Collaborator
Special Collaborator
Avatar
Honorary Collaborator

Joined: December 30 2007
Location: Raeford, NC
Status: Offline
Points: 32550 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 02 2012 at 19:36
Originally posted by manofmystery manofmystery wrote:

Liberals Discover Their Inner Dick Cheney
 
At first I thought, based on the headline, that it'd be about them (*cough slarti*) continuing to turn their head to Bamers' Cheneylike foreign policy.


Excellent article.
https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays
Back to Top
The Doctor View Drop Down
Special Collaborator
Special Collaborator
Avatar
Honorary Collaborator

Joined: June 23 2005
Location: The Tardis
Status: Offline
Points: 8543 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 03 2012 at 18:03
Sure.  Because not allowing people to walk around armed to the freaking teeth is exactly like torturing them.  That's right up there with Obamacare being compared with the holocaust.  As if telling people to get insurance is the same as slaughtering six million Jews.  It's all about degrees folks.  
I can understand your anger at me, but what did the horse I rode in on ever do to you?
Back to Top
stonebeard View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: May 27 2005
Location: NE Indiana
Status: Offline
Points: 28057 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 03 2012 at 18:15
Originally posted by The Doctor The Doctor wrote:

Sure.  Because not allowing people to walk around armed to the freaking teeth is exactly like torturing them.  That's right up there with Obamacare being compared with the holocaust.  As if telling people to get insurance is the same as slaughtering six million Jews.  It's all about degrees folks.  

I thought the article made a good point :

"Sixty million Americans own firearms, and almost none of them ever will fire a shot in anger. The premise behind gun control, then, is that millions of law-abiding Americans should have their rights and liberties circumscribed in order to prevent a minuscule fraction—something like three one-hundredths of 1 percent of them—from abusing those rights."

It is trouble that America seems to have a serious violence problem, but restricting guns ownership is unlikely to solve it. I would suspect widespread violence in media would be a culprit, but I'm loathe to suggest involuntary censorship.

I do think a serious problem a lot of Libertarians have is thinking 100% freedom, 100% of the time is the best possible option, and that anything else is fascism.
My soundcloud. Please give feedback if you want!
Back to Top
thellama73 View Drop Down
Collaborator
Collaborator
Avatar
Honorary Collaborator

Joined: May 29 2006
Location: United States
Status: Offline
Points: 8368 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 03 2012 at 18:30
I don't think violence in the media is the reason that America has higher incidents of gun crime than other countries, nor do I think it's about availability. I suspect it's more of an underlying cultural thing.
Back to Top
Epignosis View Drop Down
Special Collaborator
Special Collaborator
Avatar
Honorary Collaborator

Joined: December 30 2007
Location: Raeford, NC
Status: Offline
Points: 32550 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 03 2012 at 20:01
Originally posted by thellama73 thellama73 wrote:

t it's more of an underlying cultural thing.


DING DING DING
https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays
Back to Top
Epignosis View Drop Down
Special Collaborator
Special Collaborator
Avatar
Honorary Collaborator

Joined: December 30 2007
Location: Raeford, NC
Status: Offline
Points: 32550 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 03 2012 at 20:05
America has more diversity than any place on the planet.  Is diversity here a good thing?  I don't know.

Is it the reason we have lots of violence?  Guns aren't the reason.  Healthcare isn't the reason.  The economy is not the reason.

The UK is okay with no guns because the UK is not like us.

Chicago and DC banned hand guns for a while.  Look at their crime stats.
https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays
Back to Top
The Doctor View Drop Down
Special Collaborator
Special Collaborator
Avatar
Honorary Collaborator

Joined: June 23 2005
Location: The Tardis
Status: Offline
Points: 8543 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 03 2012 at 20:59
Originally posted by thellama73 thellama73 wrote:

I don't think violence in the media is the reason that America has higher incidents of gun crime than other countries, nor do I think it's about availability. I suspect it's more of an underlying cultural thing.


I actually agree with you that it is a cultural thing, but I'm sure in a different way.  I'm not saying there should necessarily be gun control, just that I think it is silly to compare gun control to torture.  Anyway, I believe that it is our so-called "rugged" individualistic culture, our focus on monetary success and an every man/woman/child for him/herself culture that leads to the levels of violence that we see here in the states.  We were founded on a wild west attitude.  We started to come out of it, but now that we've been moving back to it over the last 30 some years, it's not a surprise that the level of violence is escalating.  It will continue to escalate until we decide to become a civilized society, if we last that long.
I can understand your anger at me, but what did the horse I rode in on ever do to you?
Back to Top
thellama73 View Drop Down
Collaborator
Collaborator
Avatar
Honorary Collaborator

Joined: May 29 2006
Location: United States
Status: Offline
Points: 8368 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 03 2012 at 21:16
^Okay. But I completely disagree with almost everything you just said.
Back to Top
timothy leary View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: December 29 2005
Location: Lilliwaup, Wa.
Status: Offline
Points: 5319 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 03 2012 at 22:42
I also disagree. To claim America was founded on a Wild West attitude is ridiculous and untrue. Actually America was founded on a Puritan attitude.
Back to Top
The T View Drop Down
Special Collaborator
Special Collaborator
Avatar
Honorary Collaborator

Joined: October 16 2006
Location: FL, USA
Status: Offline
Points: 17493 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 03 2012 at 23:08
^Is the level of violence really escalating?
Back to Top
The Doctor View Drop Down
Special Collaborator
Special Collaborator
Avatar
Honorary Collaborator

Joined: June 23 2005
Location: The Tardis
Status: Offline
Points: 8543 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 04 2012 at 01:10
Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

America has more diversity than any place on the planet.  Is diversity here a good thing?  I don't know.


Now wait a minute.  This is interesting.  Maybe you're not a full-blown libertarian, I don't know exactly where you stand anymore.  I've lost touch.  But is it really libertarianism to denounce diversity?  Are you saying, we should all be free as long as we all act and believe exactly the same?  Gee, that doesn't sound like freedom to me. 
I can understand your anger at me, but what did the horse I rode in on ever do to you?
Back to Top
thellama73 View Drop Down
Collaborator
Collaborator
Avatar
Honorary Collaborator

Joined: May 29 2006
Location: United States
Status: Offline
Points: 8368 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 04 2012 at 01:20
^I don't think Rob advocated any law that prevents diversity.
Back to Top
 Post Reply Post Reply Page  <1 5354555657 294>

Forum Jump Forum Permissions View Drop Down



This page was generated in 0.246 seconds.
Donate monthly and keep PA fast-loading and ad-free forever.